# Have you seen Salvos, or Teckos?

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [June 13, 2018, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450 "2018-06-13T09:06:30Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/351 "2018-06-15T12:56:20Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> And the USSR died in 1991

I lived in Moscow from 91-96.

I know exactly how it happened.  
I was there when it happened.  
I went to school 500m away from the Russian Whitehouse.

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**Author:** ![Dave\_English](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dave_english/32/72858_2.png) [@Dave\_English](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dave_English)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/352 "2018-06-15T12:58:10Z")

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How is this thread still open? No wonder people, including the devs, prefer Reddit instead.

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/353 "2018-06-15T13:01:04Z")

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If it was a crap thread, why does it have 345 posts and max views, in 2days, despite my absence?

And seriously, have you seen how many crap threads there are constantly on reddit?

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/354 "2018-06-15T13:02:46Z")

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> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> Russian Whitehouse.

The Kremlin you mean?

Fun fact, did you know the White house was burned by my elders in 1812?

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/355 "2018-06-15T13:05:00Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> > Russian Whitehouse.
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> The Kremlin you mean?

No, I dont mean the Kremlin.  
I mean the Whitehouse.

 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/7/6/761c7a00c8d4b9d09c1c0092989cba13472d938a.jpg)

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/356 "2018-06-15T13:06:39Z")

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> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> Now it is back to everyone hating everyone, the exploitation becoming more ruthless by the day

Are you serious? There was never less poverty than today. The current system has its flaws, but the picture you try to paint is completely wrong.

Maybe it would help if you don’t focuse only on the us, which is in many cases actually an outlier.

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/357 "2018-06-15T13:07:38Z")

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Were you spying? Lol

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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/358 "2018-06-15T13:09:51Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> Were you spying? Lol

Oh, come on! That’s an easy one. He was salvoshing!

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**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/359 "2018-06-15T13:13:00Z")

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I mean he claimed he was an Intel officer in the Finn army, why else would he be in Moscow? Lolll

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**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/360 "2018-06-15T13:16:59Z")

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Im a signals officer, not specifically intel, although the two overlap.

 ![FB_IMG_1529068911750](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/e/3ea3fa1489ae73bd576be640694d7ae978fbdc3c.jpg)

And legit what I said above is true.  
91-96 in Moscow, attending the Anglo-American School situated in the US Embassy residential complex right across the street from the Whitehouse.

I witnessed the fall of the USSR, and all that followed, firsthand.

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**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/361 "2018-06-15T13:22:46Z")

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> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#):
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> Are you serious? There was never less poverty than today. The current system has its flaws, but the picture you try to paint is completely wrong.
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> Maybe it would help if you don’t focuse only on the us, which is in many cases actually an outlier.

I try not to focus on the US, but also I lived there only for a short time, so I’m not an expert. Actually I saw poverty there which surprised me a lot. I have been to poor countries before and I never expected to see what I saw in the US. Don’t get me wrong, I also saw a lot of cool stuff and some of the people I met there are easily amongst the chillest and nicest people ever, but there was poverty to a degree that I couldn’t believe.

Living in Europe I can tell that the economic situation here went really weird places. Even if there is a general average rise in wealth, it comes at a greater devide between rich and poor, which is mostly due to the cost for labour being pushed down further and further in relation to the profits of companies. Unless you live in a bubble you’ll have realized that the last decade brought significant amount of Crisis and re-distribution of wealth from the bottom to the top all over the continent.

@Jenn_aSide  
WTF I just realized that your name reads like Genocide. Fck me, I’m slow 😃

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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/362 "2018-06-15T13:48:54Z")

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> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#):
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> And legit what I said above is true.  
> 91-96 in Moscow, attending the Anglo-American School situated in the US Embassy residential complex right across the street from the Whitehouse.

Military-grade salvoshing … they never stood a chance.

![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/4/a47ea7944f3e758df8b127d16da7d6364ddf5770.gif)

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**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/363 "2018-06-15T14:14:08Z")

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> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> How did we get to communism btw? 😂

It all started with you.

> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#):
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> In the end, lies don’t matter when you can prove your facts.

Then I came along

> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#):
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> Lol. Have you been outside recently? Read the news? Been on social media?
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> We’re living in a fake news filter bubble world. Facts don’t matter, education is worthless, the earth is flat, vaccines are harmful and the evil Russians are going for world domination.

We proceeded to USA bashing ('cause why not. They deserve it.)  
Then I brought the free market downsides into the discussion.  
We had a talk about how the free market is totally dysfunctional and how the US would implode really fast if they had a real free market.  
And out of all that spawned a discussion about free, regulated and social markets, which lead to the up- and downsides of communism being discussed now.

Isn’t this marvelous? A intellectually curious discussion on the EVE forums? It’s like we’re back in the golden ages of EVE!

> [@Dave\_English](#):
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> How is this thread still open? No wonder people, including the devs, prefer Reddit instead.

I reckon it’s still open because this is an actual discussion with intellect and substance, not just two sides throwing mud at each other.

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/364 "2018-06-15T14:15:25Z")

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> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> Actually I saw poverty there which surprised me a lot. I have been to poor countries before and I never expected to see what I saw in the US.

Yeah, I was just there the other month for a conference and there where people in the city at every corner, sleeping on the street with nothing.

There are clearly serious issues there and I think the root cause is that the right still equates social institutions like they exist in most European countries to communism or socialism, which it just isn’t.

> [@zluq\_zabaa](#):
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> Living in Europe I can tell that the economic situation here went really weird places. Even if there is a general average rise in wealth, it comes at a greater devide between rich and poor, which is mostly due to the cost for labour being pushed down further and further in relation to the profits of companies.

The question here is why is this happening. And as you pointed out it is only in relation, so it is in fact not a redistribution but the fruits of the increase in productivity do to automation does not trickle down to the workers. I think the reasons for this is that we have monopolistic structures like the patents in farma or the quasi-monopolistic structures of software and services in IT which leads to no price pressure which would start to regulate those things down. But that’s just an opinion

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**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/365 "2018-06-15T14:17:35Z")

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> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#):
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> I reckon it’s still open because this is an actual discussion with intellect and substance, not just two sides throwing mud at each other.

Which is exactly why I’m surprised it is not already locked.

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**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/366 "2018-06-15T14:19:43Z")

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Maybe Falcon hasn’t seen it yet, or he’s actually read through the thread instead of just the select few posts that the easily triggered / less intellectually able most certainly flagged.

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**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/367 "2018-06-15T14:26:48Z")

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You’ll find your answer in this article

> **[Why we should bulldoze the business school](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/27/bulldoze-the-business-school)**
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> The long read: There are 13,000 business schools on Earth. That’s 13,000 too many. And I should know – I’ve taught in them for 20 years

I’ve got to maw my lawn now. Enjoy.

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**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/368 "2018-06-15T14:27:55Z")

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> [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](#):
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> Maybe Falcon hasn’t seen it yet, or he’s actually read through the thread instead of just the select few posts that the easily triggered / less intellectually able most certainly flagged.

ISDs are reading here, too. And as long as no flags go up or not too many will they be glad they’ve got us all in one thread. Might be it’s a quiet day for them and they don’t want to change that.

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**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/369 "2018-06-15T14:28:32Z")

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> [@Whitehound](#):
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> will they be glad they’ve got us all in one thread. Might be it’s a quiet day for them and they don’t want to change that.

😂

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**Author:** ![ISD\_Buldath](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_buldath/32/381437_2.png) [@ISD\_Buldath](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Buldath)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2018, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/have-you-seen-salvos-or-teckos/82450/370 "2018-06-15T14:52:24Z")

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