# Havoc **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [October 22, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690 "2023-10-22T08:55:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/22 "2023-10-26T21:22:03Z")
There is always a Wormhole Connection though ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/23 "2023-10-27T14:37:07Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > If Uedama turned lowsec ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/d/61d7a67cd6f0c116d85fe078c184fd42d999ef58.gif) Careful what you wish for ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_BeerMonster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/captain_beermonster/32/495729_2.png) [@Captain\_BeerMonster](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Captain_BeerMonster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/24 "2023-10-27T15:09:21Z")
Yes and they have mass and size limits. These can also be camped. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/25 "2023-11-01T19:10:35Z")
> [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > how is Havoc affecting HighSec? There’s sort of vague rumours that it would turn areas of highsec into lowsec. Or something like that. Which would be fun. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/26 "2023-11-02T00:16:34Z")
Decided to not do evil things in Havoc. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2023, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/27 "2023-11-02T08:23:18Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > evil things One person’s evil is another person’s freedom fighter. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/28 "2023-11-17T13:07:12Z")
So has anyone worked out if it’s possible to drop any important sys in hi sec into low , like trade pips , mission hubs. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/29 "2023-11-17T13:24:15Z")
No way. I dont want another overpopulated Ahbazon. ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/30 "2023-11-17T13:54:31Z")
Yesterday, Militia channel, 189 heads; Angels channel, a whopping 661. In the PvP ring, Militia straight dunked on the Angels, no doubt. But with those insane numbers, the Angels were flexing, running every damn site, doing it all. Corruption? Spread like wildfire, it’s a wild scene out there ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/31 "2023-11-17T14:52:44Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > @topic: > > Looks like lot of wasted Dev hours for now, except for the beauty of design. Can’t see how it makes the game better, even the contrary by adding more unnessessary new rules and complexion. Another pocket of space that will be basically unusable for 95% of the population because it will be perma-camped or perma-farmed by a legion of alts (depending on what is to gain there, ISK, PvP, or strategical advantage for some blob). Again another unnessessary set of _new and fancy_ environement mechanics that - so far - only favors blobbing over skilled mobile skimish gangs. It won’t attract new players imho who simply can’t survive there anyway because they lack both the hard- and softskills for dealing with this environment and ruleset. > > It may entertain the boredom of some older players, but in 6 months from now it will probably be a skeletized, solved and controlled niche-thingy like Pochven is. > > 🤷 > > (and yes, I am an optimist) Idk, I couldn’t agree less. Content is fun, the warzone is an absolute blast, and there are fights all over the place including significant success had by skilled nano gangs. I love the mechanics and how they change the space, disrupt the sec status etc. So far this has been an extremely interesting expansion. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/32 "2023-11-17T15:02:26Z")
> [@Jabali\_Javee](#): > > In the PvP ring, Militia straight dunked on the Angels, no doubt. Ah, so that’s what you call a MinMil Phoenix Navy loss, their talwars dying, and their thrashers fleeing when having positional advantage? You must live in a different timezone. ---
**Author:** ![Jabali\_Javee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jabali_javee/32/416429_2.png) [@Jabali\_Javee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jabali_Javee)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/33 "2023-11-17T15:36:03Z")
Seems like Angels attracted folks with a few screws loose. What’s the chatter about, huh? T1 Talwars, T1 Thrashers schooling T2, faction, T3, pirate faction hulls? Let me break it down. The fleet I rolled with? Cost us maybe a billion but sent eight billion to the grave. We hunted for the big fights, craving that glorious death Reality’s playing tricks on you, brother, you’re lost in the definition of a win or a loss ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/34 "2023-11-17T16:14:22Z")
Yeah that wasn’t what i saw happen but it’s been pretty active so may be the case in your TZ ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/35 "2023-11-17T16:21:55Z")
> [@Jabali\_Javee](#): > > Seems like Angels attracted folks with a few screws loose > [@Jabali\_Javee](#): > > Reality’s playing tricks on you, brother, you’re lost in the definition of a win or a loss I both literally and metaphorically never said nor implied anything about „winning“ and „losing“ and don’t care about definitions and metrics. Just sharing what happened in my TZ. All in good fun. I appreciate the light banter and enjoy it. But the irony of saying I’m delusional / out of touch with reality while making stuff up kind of makes your attempted insults fall flat. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/36 "2023-11-17T18:05:54Z")
At the time of my writing I was only referring to the System of Zarzakh, not the entire expansion with the Corruption/Supression mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/37 "2023-11-18T04:19:55Z")
oh yeah fair enough that makes sense 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/havoc/424690/38 "2024-02-16T04:20:42Z")
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