# Hellmar says we should make retirement money from games **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 24, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055 "2021-12-24T21:46:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/1 "2021-12-24T21:46:19Z")
> **[CCP Games CEO Says Gamers Should Be Able to Make Retirement Plans with Money...](https://wccftech.com/ccp-ceo-says-gamers-should-be-able-to-make-retirement-plans-money-earn-games/)** > > The CEO of CCP Games is adamant the industry should evolve to allow gamers to make retirement plans by using the money they earn from games. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/2 "2021-12-24T22:03:11Z")
He says a lot of things, he’s Fearless. ---
**Author:** ![Gunther\_Kampf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gunther_kampf/32/299155_2.png) [@Gunther\_Kampf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gunther_Kampf)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/3 "2021-12-24T22:11:16Z")
that relies on that others will ruin their personal economy over games ---
**Author:** ![Xuxe\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuxe_xu/32/464660_2.png) [@Xuxe\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuxe_Xu)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/4 "2021-12-24T22:12:53Z")
RMTers gingerly approach EvE soon™ : ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/d/5/2d5d97df94468decdf3dc54362be7c00fe6eefd1.gif) But Hilmar is steering the EvE Boat, so que sera sera I guess… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/e/7/1e7b1092e5f72a01db941f4684f962bad0a297a2.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/5 "2021-12-24T22:24:35Z")
> [@Xuxe\_Xu](#): > > RMTers gingerly approach EvE soon™ Think about how fun they will be to kill, though. And think about how fun it will be when CCP starts getting forced by actual governments to reveal the identities of players so that they can receive subpoenas after destroying/scamming someone’s “retirement fund.” ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/6 "2021-12-24T23:24:11Z")
“I lost my 401k in Jita.” ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/7 "2021-12-24T23:33:14Z")
“…And could you tell us _how_ you lost 80% of your retirement fund?” “I invested it in rare, one-of-a-kind ships, your honor.” “Were they destroyed by another player, or taken away from you by force or through a scam?” “No, your honor.” “So how did you lose the majority of your investment?” “They made more of them.” “Who did?” “The developers of the game, they made more of those rare ships, and the price went down.” ---
**Author:** ![Jinx\_Jita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinx_jita/32/290178_2.png) [@Jinx\_Jita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinx_Jita)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/8 "2021-12-25T01:30:54Z")
This has to be the dumbest thing he ever said, right? …right? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/9 "2021-12-25T01:35:42Z")
Not really, if there’s ever a game where it would make sense it would be EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/10 "2021-12-25T01:41:09Z")
I made a pretty penny selling gold in the Diablo 3 real money auction house. I’m sure I could do the same here. It’s not just D3 that’s full of suckers ripe for harvesting. No one over there falls for gold doubling. And everyone - it seems - falls for it over here. Fish in a barrel. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/11 "2021-12-25T03:07:07Z")
This was discussed on the EVE FB page as well. The dumbest idea ever. **IF** such a thing ever happened it proves all this crypto/NFT stuff is pure tulips. ps- FWIW- A couple of months ago a guy on the FB page _claimed_ he was forced to pay his ex-wife RW $$ for his game assets as part of his cyber/crypto holdings. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Theodarum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theodarum/32/479608_2.png) [@Theodarum](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Theodarum)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/12 "2021-12-25T03:32:31Z")
I hope he’s right and I wish his believes, contribute in making a greater good for everyone. Best wishes for CCP, it’s employees and this beautiful community. Without you, this would not be possible. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/13 "2021-12-25T04:25:18Z")
> [@Jin\_Endares](#): > > A couple of months ago a guy on the FB page _claimed_ he was forced to pay his ex-wife RW $$ for his game assets as part of his cyber/crypto holdings. 🙄 Omg I remember that ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 4:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/14 "2021-12-25T04:25:57Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > Not really, if there’s ever a game where it would make sense it would be EVE. I believe Second Life’s been doing it for over a decade, although it’s not as profitable now as it used to be. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/15 "2021-12-25T06:07:18Z")
> We have conducted research related to NFT and blockchain as they are based on a decentralized system, which is similar to CCP Games’ operation. Does this man even know what EVE and its underlying server tech is? WOW is more decentralized than EVE. The only thing that one can trust that Hillmar understands is how to drive something into the ground. And that would for sure include your retirement plan. ![REDNES](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/6/5/96524d53cb22e8d34dff925203908c55729b363e.png) ---
**Author:** ![CistaCista](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cistacista/32/482254_2.png) [@CistaCista](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CistaCista)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/16 "2021-12-25T06:19:02Z")
Yes, both Second Life and Entropia have produced dollar millionaires from land ownership. Other people have made good money on other activities. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/17 "2021-12-25T07:42:41Z")
How many times can one greedy git sell a thing? ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/18 "2021-12-25T08:41:42Z")
I would suggest not to take everything my avatar says seriously… ---
**Author:** ![Lano\_Oko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lano_oko/32/417537_2.png) [@Lano\_Oko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lano_Oko)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 8:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/19 "2021-12-25T08:48:52Z")
Second life gets away with it because you actually make and sell the in-game assets yourself. Entropia doesn’t get away with it. It’s a gambling cesspool where the only people who make money are people who are rich to start with. Almost nothing in that game is profitable enough to live off of. On top of that, “making money” is the only reason why you would bother playing this game, because it has not advanced past the year 2006 and has no story or gameplay worth having affection for. If RMT came to eve online, it would actually be worse. Nine out of Ten co-currents will be barges from Nerdy Scrooge McDuck with his thousand-strong VM’ed mutibox fleet with automated mining scripts that CCP will do nothing about. You’d make more money working at Hardee’s unless you are said Scrooge McDuck. ---
**Author:** ![Anneloreke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anneloreke/32/297328_2.png) [@Anneloreke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anneloreke)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055/20 "2021-12-25T11:06:18Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Hilmar says we should make retirement money from games… 😅 That miserable con artist can’t come up with anything legal to grow the EVE population so he’s going the way of Hoffa and Capone. 🤣 How pathetic. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hellmar-says-we-should-make-retirement-money-from-games/343055.md?page=2)