# Heralding the Announcement of a "No Limits" Friendship **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [April 1, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990 "2023-04-01T11:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/144 "2023-04-25T12:48:47Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > You’re saying this because you’re _usually_ the attacker. But consider how unfair it would be from the defender’s perspective. They’d have to maintain a 24/7 presence just to defend their structure. The timers were created _specifically_ to address this issue, and allow players to actually live their lives outside of the game. That doesn’t really answer the point, as it is not the timers themselves but the fact that the owner of the defending station gets to decide the _time of day_ the reinforcement ends that prevents him being up 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Baird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesley_baird/32/455827_2.png) [@Wesley\_Baird](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesley_Baird)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/145 "2023-04-25T15:28:21Z")
I just want to highlight one thing Kane touched upon. The location of the war HQ. Often the location of the war hq will tell you a lot about the intention of the aggressive party. If the war HQ is hidden in the ass-end of space in a high-sec pocket. The aggressors rarely are looking for a fight. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/146 "2023-04-25T20:29:23Z")
> [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > We will always be there every time if it is a monthly payer and we go after the warhq so there will not be a second time. What’s the monthly rate? Both from the perspective of a defender from a war, and the perspective of an attacker needing manpower to protect their HQ from a counterattack. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > And then there are those that just want a defense for a timer. So charge is per timer. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > Also, what do you mean by _ **“Since you have to pay for each form-up, this could lead costs snowballing out of control.”** _ That’s what I mean by “form-up,” as in a separate defense for every timer. What’s the rate for that? Once again let’s assume both the location and the timer are convenient for you, as a baseline. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > But to your point about null coming… They don’t. Those that shoot at a structure or warhq is normally small and single minded. At most you will see Null guys comes in numbers if it is a final timer and they are bored. Or you made the error of dropping a structure that competes with TTT. I mean we have 2-4 null pilots regularly shoot at our warhq. Depending on the time it will be defended because I have a permanent alt with max station skills to man it. Just be being present in system makes them go away. And even when they do reinforce, nobody has actually shown up to escalate it. But we are always ready. It helps to have your structure close to where you operate. Then you can just use an alt to keep eyes while you continue with whatever you are doing. I think this is a matter of perspective. Null-sec doesn’t show up to bash _your_ structures because they know there will be a 100-man high-end battleship fleet waiting for them, with the ability to escalate if necessary. For me, they showed up. They brought a 40-man gang for the first timer (I reverse-calculated it based on the ship types and the time it took them to take down the shield, so it’s an estimate, but not a _bad_ estimate). For the second timer, in the dead of night at 08:00 EVE time, they brought a 55-man Kikimora gang with neutral bumpers and looters. This was for an unfitted, unmanned Raitaru war HQ belonging to a tiny alliance with basically a single active member. As mentioned earlier, they brought a 100-man BC gang to take down Bully Brigade’s HQ as well (I don’t believe it was defended either). I’m not complaining; I _ **knew** _ this would likely happen, and I’m going to do it again, and keep doing it. Just saying that it _ **did** _ happen. I think, as with most similar relevant considerations, people are only going to show up if they know they’re going to win. As a humorous tangent, I want to mention that they actually lost two Kikimoras to CONCORD during the siege. That about sums up the skill level of the average null-sec drone. > [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](#): > > EDIT: Also take care… because you came from an alliance that was on receiving end of CCP ire for doing exactly what you did with your WarHQ. Among other questionable mechanics which got some guys banned for 2 weeks. All I did was right-click and “leave alliance.” I don’t believe that this is an issue. I’ve checked the rules, and can’t find anything with regard to not being able to join/leave alliances at will. What you’re referencing dealt with a different mechanic. And I wasn’t involved with that, and only had second-hand information on what went down. The GMs displayed their corruption to full effect. They refused to quote any rules or reference any exploit lists, and pretty much just said “do this or we’ll ban your entire alliance” and made it not up for discussion. That was GM IceCream, by the way. The one who’s no longer working for CCP. The one who teleported his titan away when it was in danger. The one who used unofficial communication channels to harass high-sec gankers with personal questions, and then banned them from the game based on the answers. > [@Wesley\_Baird](#): > > I just want to highlight one thing Kane touched upon. > > The location of the war HQ. Often the location of the war hq will tell you a lot about the intention of the aggressive party. > > If the war HQ is hidden in the ass-end of space in a high-sec pocket. The aggressors rarely are looking for a fight. Personally, I’m planning on looking for places that are as inconvenient as possible for the attackers to form up and take it down. They’ll still come, but they’ll have to waste tens if not hundreds of man-hours doing so. If every member of the fleet would’ve been grinding ISK instead (even with low-end activities like generic ratting), I’d be winning the ISK war. I’d _love_ a fight, but there’s nothing I can do to put up any sort of viable resistance against a gang with 50+ players in it. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Baird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesley_baird/32/455827_2.png) [@Wesley\_Baird](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesley_Baird)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/147 "2023-04-25T21:47:55Z")
I think you greatly over-estimate the time it takes to move a fleet around eve given the current mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/148 "2023-04-25T22:07:56Z")
Nah, I use Pochven and wormholes for quicker travel all the time for example. But it’s still an additional hassle regardless of the method. Adding even a little bit of an annoyance is a win, no matter how small. Even Kane mentioned not being willing to travel for contracts all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/149 "2023-04-25T22:42:08Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’d be winning the ISK war. You already did ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/150 "2023-04-25T22:50:37Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > nothing I can do to put up any sort of viable resistance against a gang with 50+ players in it. Oh I dunno, some good solo pvp’ers like taking on blobs and scoring a few kills, before disappearing into the sunset. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/151 "2023-04-26T08:10:46Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > As a humorous tangent, I want to mention that they actually lost two Kikimoras to CONCORD during the siege. That about sums up the skill level of the average null-sec drone. Haha like you said even a 50 man fleet can be dangerous even if they are just F1 monkeys. Once I’m fit and well and back on eve i’ll start up my Alpha fleet plans again 6 members so far. I’m starting to see lots of content for us ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/152 "2023-04-26T08:23:41Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Once I’m fit and well ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/2/c/02c13bf0c09c3c7ef8dd8d4c3f58147487f63573.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/153 "2023-04-26T13:48:02Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > As a humorous tangent, I want to mention that they actually lost two Kikimoras to CONCORD during the siege. Getting Concorded despite dozens of requests in fleet chat to set status to green…seems to be a rite of passage for some. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/154 "2023-04-26T14:48:56Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > seems to be a rite of passage for some Speaking from personal experience? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/155 "2023-04-27T03:09:48Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Speaking from personal experience? Nope, never done that. But seen plenty who have. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/156 "2023-04-27T06:11:05Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Getting Concorded despite dozens of requests in fleet chat to set status to green…seems to be a rite of passage for some. Never been concorded myself but my alt has [https://evewho.com/character/2118493280](https://evewho.com/character/2118493280) She does it in the most honourable way possible and has stopped many ganks on her own. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 7:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/157 "2023-04-27T07:33:46Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Never been concorded myself but my alt has Well, got concorded ganking my alt. Do I win? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/0/9/e0958e6297f4875b1aa28e88f136391a530f0048.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/158 "2023-04-27T21:22:07Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > blablabla > **[Retriever | Svergin | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/104988266/)** > > Svergin (State War Academy) lost their Retriever in Isanamo (Lonetrek). Final Blow by Daystalker 2020 (Big Willies PVP Madness) flying in a Catalyst. Total Value: 144,686,056.09 ISK 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/159 "2023-04-28T00:25:21Z")
Now if the burst went off in time you would not be posting that 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/160 "2023-04-28T03:33:11Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > if 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/161 "2023-04-28T06:35:33Z")
You know it happened, why else target her before she got to the gank ball, still, good times shame there gone ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/162 "2023-04-28T06:36:53Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > You know it happened 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Optimus\_Maximus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/optimus_maximus/32/368882_2.png) [@Optimus\_Maximus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Optimus_Maximus)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990/163 "2023-04-28T12:02:05Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > You know it happened, why else target her before she got to the gank ball, still, good times shame there gone > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > 🙄 “Don 't be sad because it ended, smile because it happened” Mandatory 🙄 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/heralding-the-announcement-of-a-no-limits-friendship/400990.md?page=9)