# Hey CCP, thanks for destroying emerging conduits profits **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 16, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109 "2020-01-16T21:06:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/107 "2020-03-03T00:19:13Z")
> [@Ugren\_Okaski](#): > > How many petitions you wrote? ? No petitons ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/108 "2020-03-03T01:02:45Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > The massacre of the EC may have passed, but it has not been forgotten ☹ In all seriousness: I tried EC in duo with a corpmate this week-end for the first time, by curiosity and to be honnest, because he offered me to pay me the ship so he would have someone to play with xD Turns out it is very profitable, took about ~1h30 to refund the value of the ship used, and then everything else was profit. I didn’t do the old version of them, but their current state hardly seems like a “massacre” at all, they are fun to do (well, for now, maybe I could get bored if I do it too often), relatively easy especially if you play in group, and pay well enough to be clearly profitable to do. Not sure what’s your definition of a “massacre”… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/109 "2020-03-03T01:04:53Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > Not sure what’s your definition of a “massacre”… Anything less than the best solo income in the game. As that’s about what they used to be. It was insane. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/110 "2020-03-03T01:05:18Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Anything less than the best solo income in the game. As that’s about what they used to be. It was insane. Only decent solo income activity in highsec too, it needs a replacement ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/111 "2020-03-03T01:07:56Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Only decent solo income activity in highsec too, it needs a replacement Outside of the fact that they ARE decent right now (Like really they are literally the most profitable activity I’ve ever tried, tho I do not do industry at all). If I get it properly, you don’t only want it to be in highsec, it also have to be _solo_? Honnestly I have a hard time understanding why you choose to play an online game while your desire to never interact with anything but an IA is so strong that even for PvE you don’t want to group-up. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/112 "2020-03-03T01:08:42Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > If I get it properly, you don’t only want it to be in highsec, it also have to be _solo_ ? We could triple lv4 mission income and rat bountry as a replacement ---
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/113 "2020-03-03T01:09:19Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > We could triple lv4 mission income and rat bountry as a replacement That doesn’t answer to the question you quoted. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/114 "2020-03-03T01:09:47Z")
Level 4 mission income is perfectly fine as it is. No increase is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/115 "2020-03-03T01:14:29Z")
> Level 4 mission income is perfectly fine as it is. No increase is needed. It can use an increase ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/116 "2020-03-03T01:19:09Z")
So tell me. What do you believe LVL 4 mission income is. ---
**Author:** ![Anlions\_V](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anlions_v/32/418032_2.png) [@Anlions\_V](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anlions_V)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/117 "2020-03-03T01:19:46Z")
dont touch my incursions!!! \ **Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/118 "2020-03-03T01:28:03Z") > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > So tell me. What do you believe LVL 4 mission income is. I’d say what the burner mission is now, 12k lp with around 5-10m payment, scalable based on mission difficulty. Burner mission get’s double income, 20m with 20k lp. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/119 "2020-03-03T01:28:19Z")
> [@Anlions\_V](#): > > dont touch my incursions!!! \ **Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/120 "2020-03-03T01:34:13Z") Ok. So 30 Mil income or 60 Mil for a burner when you can chain multiple missions an hour, like at least 4 regular or 6 burner isn’t enough income… Like 120 Mil an hour for regular missions if you blitz, and you are saying… > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > We could triple lv4 mission income and rat bountry as a replacement Man… You are on some serious drugs to think that is balanced. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/121 "2020-03-03T01:35:28Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Ok. So 30 Mil income or 60 Mil for a burner when you can chain multiple missions an hour, like at least 4 regular or 6 burner isn’t enough income… > Like 120 Mil an hour for regular missions if you blitz, and you are saying… Blitzing is hard work, I got no problem with 240m an hour, especially with all the alts and stuff you need to do to get it right. Most lv4 runners are solo and do a mission at a time, it should be balanced for them, not the 1 person who has 300 alts who may ekk out 300m an hour and then burn out. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/122 "2020-03-03T03:24:06Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > We could triple lv4 mission income and rat bountry as a replacement That is utter insanity. You do realize that this would have little impact on your actual purchasing power, right? That the market would very quickly correct for the increase in income, prices would go up, and you’d still be spending the same amount of time to buy something? > Blitzing is hard work No it isn’t. In fact, the only reason blitzing is possible is that it _isn’t_ hard work, that missions are so pathetically easy that you can mass farm them with no real chance of failure even when you fly a specialized glass cannon farming ship. > not the 1 person who has 300 alts who may ekk out 300m an hour and then burn out. This is absolute insanity. As soon as you allow the potential for massive increases in income you guarantee that people will do it and break the economy. You have to balance for the worst-case scenarios, not for low-effort players. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/123 "2020-03-03T03:29:00Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No it isn’t. In fact, the only reason blitzing is possible is that it _isn’t_ hard work If anything full clears are harder work since you have to have better tank. Still not pretending they are “hard”. Hard pve you can find but it’s stuff like t5 abyss which needs good manual piloting if rng is mean on rooms. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/124 "2020-03-03T21:44:51Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > That is utter insanity. You do realize that this would have little impact on your actual purchasing power, right? That the market would very quickly correct for the increase in income, prices would go up, and you’d still be spending the same amount of time to buy something? Nope it’s called sink. > No it isn’t. In fact, the only reason blitzing is possible is that it _isn’t_ hard work, that missions are so pathetically easy that you can mass farm them with no real chance of failure even when you fly a specialized glass cannon farming ship. No it is hard work > This is absolute insanity. As soon as you allow the potential for massive increases in income you guarantee that people will do it and break the economy. You have to balance for the worst-case scenarios, not for low-effort players. Nope, it’s called a sink ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/125 "2020-03-03T21:45:31Z")
Also remember to stay on topic, discuss the fact that EC were severely nerfed, and many highsec players lost good income. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2020, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109/126 "2020-03-03T21:47:43Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Nope, it’s called a sink Hint. Increasing income is a faucet, not a sink. If you try and balance it by increasing sinks then everyone else is nerfed. So no, when one income source is out of balance you nerf the source, just like CCP correctly did with ECs. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-ccp-thanks-for-destroying-emerging-conduits-profits/212109.md?page=7)