# Hey RJD, did you purge everyone competent back in YC110? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2019, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667 "2019-05-19T09:32:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ekaterina_desilvestris/32/513916_2.png) [@Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ekaterina_deSilvestris)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2019, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/21 "2019-05-19T22:28:44Z")
A very insightful comment, Ms Valate. We can always rely on you. They had better look into that. Who knows how far the rot goes? All the way to the core, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/22 "2019-05-20T00:18:39Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > did that thing, So much for ever asking a good-faith question on these fora. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 3:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/23 "2019-05-20T03:57:30Z")
> [@Valerie\_Valate](#): > > You know, Elsebeth, you might be right. Well no ■■■■. I’m glad we have Blooder confirmation and an Amarr agreement that an _internal_ Minmatar matter brought up by _the oldest Minmatar loyalist capsuleer still flying_ is indeed worth addressing! That’s exactly why I wrote about it on the IGS! No, wait. It isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/24 "2019-05-20T04:01:50Z")
Now, again, as already explained above, the question is not “why did Seykal take isk” (well I _wonder_ why would a bounty hunter do that?!) or “why did the Amarr bid higher than we did” (sheesh) or “isn’t it kinda good that LUMEN & PIE are broke now” (sure, yes - whether worth it depends on what Seykal does with the isk and what Zashev knows though, obviously). The question is _where was RJD?_ ---
**Author:** ![Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ekaterina_desilvestris/32/513916_2.png) [@Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ekaterina_deSilvestris)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 8:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/25 "2019-05-20T08:58:38Z")
So, where _were_ they? You stated yourself the Thukker are considered “a friendly mercenary group”. Why then, does it appear that friendship counts for nought? True, mercenaries by definition are after ISK, but to drop a valued attachment at the drop of a coin, and an enemy coin at that? I would doubt that the problem exists soley with or within the RJD. One wonders how much more they would be willing to overlook for the right price. Of course, you are right, I have no business in a Tribal matter, especially not when such vaunted credentials are so proudly touted. I shall leave you to your rhetorical musings. ---
**Author:** ![Kalaratiri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalaratiri/32/477189_2.png) [@Kalaratiri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalaratiri)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 9:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/26 "2019-05-20T09:12:11Z")
> [@Ekaterina\_deSilvestris](#): > > Of course, you are right, I have no business in a Tribal matter Imagine a world where Amarrians have this realisation _before_ they stick their nose into a topic. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/27 "2019-05-20T11:50:52Z")
The question was not rhetorical. Neither was it, however, aimed at the Amarr, especially one who clearly has very shaky understanding about how relations and nuances in the matter go. Yes, Seykal are (at least nominally) a Republic-affiliated mercenary group. They are also Thukker. Yes, that means, it _is_ entirely possible this means the Justice Department is just fine letting them give away an intel asset and a wanted criminal so they can make a shitload of isk on it. (Especially taking into account as helpfully explained like to a 5-yo by the Blooder above that government officials deemed “corrupt” by Thukker assassins have a tendency to end up _somewhat dead_.) However, it assumes a lot of “friendship that counts” that RJD would go as far as not even trying to intercept enemy forces in control of the asset _after_ the deal is sealed. Even if they’d be willing to, out of courtesy to their good friends the Seykal Expeditionary Force, or out of some resources changing hands, it also assumes _Seykal_ has a motive to deliver Zashev _to the Empire_ (as opposed to deliver Zashev to whoever gives them most isk for him and not care the least bit after that what someone _else_ does to intercept). And that’s a little bit too tinfoil-y to me. The Thukker would indeed be likelier to play into Blooder hands there than Amarr, given their past associations. There are of course also other alternative explanations for the absence of Republic actions. Sheer incompetence is one. Bribing and threats are entirely possible. Someone _again_ stealing resources to some pet project of theirs instead of giving them to the officials do their jobs would not surprise (it should be even easier now that the thieves in question are more in charge of the money as a whole). If you add a bit of tinfoil, multiple explanations exist for why it would be in the Justice Depts interests if no one paid any closer attention to the Rens bombings in the first place. But in any case it is more nuanced than “well Seykal are Matari so obvs any deal they made is a Republic deal duh”. That’s not the way things work, any more than a deal Alar Chakaid makes with the Blooders is a deal that the Empire will honor out of friendship and mutual respect. ---
**Author:** ![Teinyhr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teinyhr/32/374406_2.png) [@Teinyhr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teinyhr)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/28 "2019-05-20T12:02:46Z")
Considering the internal shitstorm going over this on the Amarr loyalist front, this Ekaterina seems to be frantically trying to shift attention out of that to here. And apparently somewhat succeeding. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/29 "2019-05-20T16:20:02Z")
The problem is that we tend to assume that everyone’s opinions are worth entertaining. She’s not the only troll who has gotten to this point. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/30 "2019-05-20T16:21:05Z")
I would prefer to think that the RJD handed him to the thukkers once they no longer had any need of him, and the fix was in the whole time. I’d _prefer_ to… but I don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/31 "2019-05-20T16:25:03Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I would prefer to think that the RJD handed him to the thukkers once they no longer had any need of him, and the fix was in the whole time. > > I’d _prefer_ to… but I don’t. It _is_ plausible given available facts that it was RJD that busted Zashev out from MIO custody and have had him this whole time. Just not… shall we say very likely. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/32 "2019-05-20T16:36:53Z")
The simplest answer is usually the correct one, so I’m inclined to stick with your original assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Utari\_Onzo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/utari_onzo/32/378493_2.png) [@Utari\_Onzo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Utari_Onzo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/33 "2019-05-20T18:18:11Z")
I suspect Realpolitik or corruption more than incompetence. Perhaps someone higher up got a deal they couldn’t refuse to ensure resources weren’t in place, or folks were made (willingly or otherwise) to look the other way. The life of one’s self or of those close to them is, after all, still a potential currency in deals if money or assets don’t suffice. I suspect this is the case with the Ministry’s side of things as well. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2019, 5:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/34 "2019-05-21T05:11:27Z")
> [@Utari\_Onzo](#): > > I suspect Realpolitik or corruption more than incompetence. That would be… trad. If we do something well, it’s _realpolitik_. Whether realpolitik is “corruption” depends, of course, entirely on who is talking and who the politicking benefits… And then the major question becomes who benefits. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/35 "2019-06-04T12:57:59Z")
I’ll just leave this here: according to local news, “[Republic Justice Department Opens Investigation Into Seykal Clan Over Wanted Slaver Orlon Zashev](https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/galactic-hour-news-roundup-invaders-from-the-abyss-edition/)”. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/36 "2019-06-04T20:03:21Z")
I’ve been trying to decide what to say about that, but I suppose there’s nothing much I can say. I suppose someone competent enough to realize there needs to be at least a show of paying attention survived, after all. I am sure that someone will let us know if we can be of any assistance. _Never again another Long Night._ Elsebeth Rhiannon SoERR, Electus Matari ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hey-rjd-did-you-purge-everyone-competent-back-in-yc110/160667/37 "2019-09-02T20:05:35Z")
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