# Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315 "2023-11-11T21:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/41 "2023-11-12T00:18:22Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > Make the warning messages that pop up SIGNIFICANTLY different if the Drifters in the system beyond have been enraged. and how should it look ? > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > As it stands, the warning message that pops up at gates is virtually the same regardless of which faction or “danger” lurks on the other side. warning is warning … if you ignore it → dont cry about your loss ! > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > If the warning was blood-red and terrifying, it might convey a bit more of the actual danger you might be jumping into, and add a loud sound to it that everyone has no need to read ? oO lol … if you cant “trust” a warning then your holpess lazy … if you jump into low sec or wh there is also a warning ! does not mean you die on the other side but it has informed you that you jump into a dangerous system … triglavian and edencom warnings are the same ! and there is no need to make them different … inform ppl that there is possible danger on the other side ! more then CCP need to do … ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/42 "2023-11-12T00:20:09Z")
Would you prefer it if the warning also played a scary sound? With constructive regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Vivien\_Sureflight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivien_sureflight/32/393900_2.png) [@Vivien\_Sureflight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivien_Sureflight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/43 "2023-11-12T00:21:30Z")
This is the same logic as saying, “You accepted the iTunes terms and conditions, therefore you shouldn’t complain when they take over and lock your entire music library.” As I said, the _level_ of danger is not well-conveyed, and when the _expectation_ of security in high-sec has been violated, that should be emphasized. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/44 "2023-11-12T00:22:11Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > I’m stating that the EFFECT of this game mechanic is, from my point of view, entirely negative as implemented. Why? Because you’re hell bent on playing the victim because of your own stupidity? Exactly what will come from arguing about “perspectives?” I guarantee that you will clutch your pearls and die on your little hill refusing to accept anyone else’s “perspective.” It’s a nice little tactic that victims like to play creating “Straw man” fallacies, red herrings and other false equivalencies. But sure, I’ll bite. Knowing full well that you have absolutely no intention of considering another person’s view on the subject. The mechanic is fine. And a fun little kick in the pants to remind you that New Eden is dystopian broken universe where dangers lurk around every corner. That CONCORD is a corrupt organization that doesn’t give 2 shits about you and can be paid off (see clone soldier tags. EvE wiki is down at the moment). That High sec, isn’t safe space and one should always be looking over their shoulder. That loss, is inevitable. And that is why I love this game so much, despite all the immersion breaking popups to protect the poor easily offended soft player base from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/45 "2023-11-12T00:22:23Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > As I said, the _level_ of danger is not well-conveyed, they said its dangerous and you can lose your ship … what else they need to write down in the warning ? oO > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > “You accepted the iTunes terms and conditions, therefore you shouldn’t complain when they take over and lock your entire music library.” you compare RL with a space game … proof your not understand some differences ! ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/46 "2023-11-12T00:23:42Z")
Welp that explains it. You were killed by triglavans Go fix your trig standings and they wont kill you anymore. No need to 100000000 IQ this. No need to write a wall of text on this topic. And I see you changed your OP title. Smh ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/47 "2023-11-12T00:24:43Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Go fix your trig standings and they wont kill you anymore. but then edencomms will kill him xD i can see the next cry post 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/48 "2023-11-12T00:25:10Z")
RIGHT?! LOL. There is indeed a way to be positive with both. I hope OP knows. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/49 "2023-11-12T00:25:34Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > There is indeed a way to be positive with both realy ? i thought this was a bug and they “fixed” it ? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/50 "2023-11-12T00:25:37Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > Go fix your trig standings and they wont kill you anymore. Then she’ll just get blapped in an Edomcom system, and come running to the forums crying about that, with a 50,000 word dissertation on why that game is broken. ---
**Author:** ![Vivien\_Sureflight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivien_sureflight/32/393900_2.png) [@Vivien\_Sureflight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivien_Sureflight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/51 "2023-11-12T00:26:28Z")
What is your deal, man? Why are you so intent in painting me as some sort of bad actor? Do I feel victimized? Yeah, I do. As I said, that was a loss I couldn’t afford, and it’s basically ruined my ability to participate in the gameplay experience that I enjoy and through which I have historically contributed to the fun of other players. I am **not** saying that my experience in this instance supercedes yours, simply that I cannot see how this mechanic **as implemented** enhances player experience. You disagree, and that’s great. Can you point to a _concrete_ way the current implementation is better than the ones I’ve suggested? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/52 "2023-11-12T00:26:47Z")
> [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](#): > > And I see you changed your OP title. Smh Did anyone manage to get a screenshot. For prosperity? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/53 "2023-11-12T00:27:36Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > I cannot see how this mechanic **as implemented** enhances player experience. Because, as I said, you’re unwilling to see it, or even consider it. > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > Can you point to a _concrete_ way the current implementation is better than the ones I’ve suggested? Yup I called it. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > It’s a nice little tactic that victims like to play creating “Straw man” fallacies, red herrings and other false equivalencies. ---
**Author:** ![Vivien\_Sureflight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivien_sureflight/32/393900_2.png) [@Vivien\_Sureflight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivien_Sureflight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/54 "2023-11-12T00:27:48Z")
I changed the title because I was incorrect about the Drifter aspect. The point still stands. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/55 "2023-11-12T00:28:30Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > What is your deal, man? Why are you so intent in painting me as some sort of bad actor? because you are … > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > Do I feel victimized? Yeah, I do. you are a victim because you played the victime ! → dont be a victime and nothing can hurts you > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > imply that I cannot see how this mechanic **as implemented** enhances player experience. doesnt care if you cant see the improvement … you think they are ■■■■ because you got killed and now your played the victime ! ---
**Author:** ![Vivien\_Sureflight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivien_sureflight/32/393900_2.png) [@Vivien\_Sureflight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivien_Sureflight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/56 "2023-11-12T00:29:00Z")
Who’s strawmanning now? I am very much open to considering your perspective, but you’ve so far only offered qualitative assertions that don’t actually address the topic at hand. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/57 "2023-11-12T00:30:07Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > I am very much open to considering your perspective, but you’ve so far only offered qualitative assertions that don’t actually address the topic at hand. your not accept anything … so explaining you anything would be worthless ! you can take a look to evewiki if you want to get informed ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/58 "2023-11-12T00:30:23Z")
Yup, I called that too. Handwavium. You had no intention of even considering what anyone else has to say. Have fun dying on that little hill clutching those pearls. ---
**Author:** ![Vivien\_Sureflight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vivien_sureflight/32/393900_2.png) [@Vivien\_Sureflight](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vivien_Sureflight)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/59 "2023-11-12T00:32:31Z")
You haven’t SAID anything! You’ve just been throwing _ad hominems_ at me and claiming I’m badly-intentioned. It’s mindboggling. What is your _purpose_ in this thread? What are you hoping to _accomplish_? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/60 "2023-11-12T00:34:12Z")
If there was a small picture showing a freighter blowing up, would that be a better warning? With open regards -James Fuchs [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=4)