# Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315 "2023-11-11T21:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/122 "2023-11-12T12:10:10Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Can you list the options other than ignoring it What ? If the player has chosen to disable the warning…_that is their choice_. If the player ignores the warning, _that is their choice_. If the player flies through the system a dozen times and fails to notice the Triglavian symbol on the screen…_that is their choice_. Notice a pattern here ? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/123 "2023-11-12T12:10:51Z")
What other choice do they have? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/124 "2023-11-12T12:13:33Z")
youve got told … you ignored … like always ! you dont want to understand what other ppl say … ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/125 "2023-11-12T12:16:37Z")
So you don’t think that paying heed to the numerous warning opportunities, plus scouting the system first, is enough choice ? What are you expecting ? A glowing space Teletubbie to magically appear and guide the 4bn ship through 27 systems and fight off all the baddies ? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/126 "2023-11-12T12:19:07Z")
There is no point of giving a warning if only option is to ignore it ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/127 "2023-11-12T12:19:43Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > There is no point of giving a warning if only option is to ignore it thats not the only option you have xD if its the only option YOU SEE its a you problem and not a game problem … ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/128 "2023-11-12T12:23:20Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > There is no point of giving a warning if only option is to ignore it Please let me know when you are out driving…as I seriously would not want to be driving at the same time… ![images](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/9/c/09cade91149500d294ea9a29b2b8199fcd9d2206.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/129 "2023-11-12T12:31:27Z")
That sign is not a warning This sign is a warning ![59b891f5a30f3](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/d/5/3d52ac0f83c5977df33c5f3c63fd9abe5b39506a.webp) But you still dont understand 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/130 "2023-11-12T12:32:19Z")
it is ! its says you need to stop otherwise youre in danger take a second to look very carefully before you go ! it has a reason why it says STOP ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/131 "2023-11-12T14:36:26Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Its the internet, its a place of different opinions, predictions and facts. > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > You have to understand CCPs design philosophy which can be summed up as “If something is different then its good.” And Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay is different therefore its good. Not sure what’s productive about this post. It contains no facts, has no prediction, and isn’t even one of a good constructive opinion. It’s just you insulting people. And yet… > [@Wesfahrn](#): > > I gave you a second chance but you seem as intolerant as ever Oh, look. More insults. If people are going to take you seriously, you gotta put your money where your mouth is first. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/132 "2023-11-12T18:46:34Z")
They can either find a different route or risk traveling through the system. They can also do a little research and get dual positive with trigs/edencom so it’s no longer an issue. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/133 "2023-11-12T21:02:44Z")
> [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](#): > > They can also do a little research and get dual positive with trigs/edencom so it’s no longer an issue. Yes that’s the best way dual standings, in the past we had corp fleets to fix our standard as the dirty gankers would often hide in trig sys . ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 3:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/134 "2023-11-13T03:06:52Z")
Idk, for what it’s worth i think NPC gate camps are nothing but negative for the game nearly anywhere they exist. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/135 "2023-11-13T04:35:51Z")
> [@The\_Voice](#): > > You didn’t get a pop-up saying oyu’d enter a triglavian system? He did and it’s on by default from CCP. But you know a lack of critical thinking doesn’t make OP question. “Hay what is a triglavan invasion? Why am I getting this popup? Maybe I should ask English help or EVE discord.” I GUARENTEE YOU someone on English help would have answered that chat is pretty decent. **Why can’t people just ask questions when they see something new? We are lacking critical thinking skills in our society in both videogames and in RL.** It should not cost anyone 3 billion ISK to learn something as basic as I did for 0 ISK. " **OH BUT I WAS AWAY IN EVE argument"** Well go research what happened over X amount of years. Go reconnect with your friend. Actually, get to be in the swing of things before going to do stuff. No basic googling. No basic networking of peers. No critical thinking. It makes me real sad about some people. 😢 😢 Now I am ranting at OPs rant. 😅 😅 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 5:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/136 "2023-11-13T05:27:59Z")
Your post should probably be moved to the top because its high signal. Does anyone know why CONCORD doesent shoot trig in high sec? ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/137 "2023-11-13T06:27:55Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay is different therefore its good. Except it isn’t “indiscriminate”. They only aggress those without positive standings to Triglavians. I have very good standings with Triglavians. My Edencom standings, on the other hand, are in the toilet. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/138 "2023-11-13T07:18:58Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Does anyone know why CONCORD doesent shoot trig in high sec? CONCORD is there to deal with capsuleers only, not with non-capsuleer pirates. To deal with the Triglavians the four empires and CONCORD created the Eden Common Defense Initiative, EDENCOM. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/139 "2023-11-13T07:35:37Z")
By the way, welcome back Gerard! ---
**Author:** ![Sigrdrifa\_Valkyrjur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sigrdrifa_valkyrjur/32/496602_2.png) [@Sigrdrifa\_Valkyrjur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sigrdrifa_Valkyrjur)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/140 "2023-11-13T09:21:58Z")
If this post sounds abusive | apologize up front, However… That was an extremely long post that basically said, I lost my stuff WAAAAAAAH. There is NO toxic content in EVE, there is merely content. HISEC isnt safe, it’s just relatively safer than low or nul. I think one of the unofficial ten commandments of EVE is “don’t fly it if you can’t afford to lose it”. If it isnt, then it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/141 "2023-11-13T09:23:20Z")
Thanks Io! (I’m back at least a few days more to follow the relocation of my alliance, to make sure my assets do not end up in some LS asset safety station. Might stick around longer.) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=8)