# Hi-Sec NPCs that aggress indiscriminately and offer no counterplay are toxic content **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315 "2023-11-11T21:17:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/142 "2023-11-13T09:27:35Z")
Yeah y’all have moved full circle. GL out there. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/143 "2023-11-13T09:37:18Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > Okay, [here’s the loss mail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/113000980/), as requested. > > It appears the entities in question were Triglavians, not drifters; I’ve made a note of this in the main text. Even so, my point still stands. Don’t bother. As far as the usual suspects camping these forums are concerned you’ll always be wrong, you’re just fighting a losing battle as you feed the trolls. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/144 "2023-11-13T09:49:10Z")
It is EVEs emergent gameplay ---
**Author:** ![Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alexander_minto_hughes/32/511046_2.png) [@Alexander\_Minto\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alexander_Minto_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/145 "2023-11-13T09:55:36Z")
You got no one to blame but you… You think after a long time the game would not be any different from when you last played? More the fool for you by not checking out possible game changes and what it means to soy boy pilots ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/146 "2023-11-13T11:53:09Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > again … in HS there is no drifter swarm where you can land in per accident … ! if you warp to an jove observatory → yes this could happen ! Technically speaking if he killed some lancers and later on hauled through that system… > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > if you jump into low sec or wh there is also a warning ! does not mean you die on the other side but it has informed you that you jump into a dangerous system … triglavian and edencom warnings are the same ! and there is no need to make them different … inform ppl that there is possible danger on the other side ! more then CCP need to do … By comparison, there is no warning when entering hostile empire space. So if I enter Amarr space I have no warning. (-10 standing from farming tags in missions) > [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > As I said, the _level_ of danger is not well-conveyed, and when the _expectation_ of security in high-sec has been violated, that should be emphasized. Your highsec status security shouldn’t be taken for granted. Especially when Havoc enters tomorrow. CONCORD won’t be responding all the time in highsec. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > The mechanic is fine. And a fun little kick in the pants to remind you that New Eden is dystopian broken universe where dangers lurk around every corner. That CONCORD is a corrupt organization that doesn’t give 2 shits about you and can be paid off (see clone soldier tags. EvE wiki is down at the moment). That High sec, isn’t safe space and one should always be looking over their shoulder. That loss, is inevitable. The CONCORD also serves drifters. See them not preventing drifters from using doomsdays in high sec. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Dual boxing makes the scouting very easy…just use a shuttle in the other account. But even if you only have one account, as I did for a long time, it is easy to just dock up, send a shuttle through the gate to check, and so on. You _plan_ the route so you already have shuttles in the relevant stations ( you can fit 2 shuttles inside a Praxis…a tactic I often use ). You have escape hatch with a frigate in battleship sized ships. Why do you also need shuttles in cargo? ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/147 "2023-11-13T12:46:45Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Does anyone know why CONCORD doesent shoot trig in high sec? CONCORD exists specifically to deal with capsuleers. They don’t get involved in anything else, despite The Scope making it seem like they are the galactic police. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/148 "2023-11-13T12:47:51Z")
> [@Vivien\_Sureflight](#): > > No, I did not “know the danger”. Welcome to EvE Online! 👸 ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/149 "2023-11-13T13:12:39Z")
I hate to ask but why does Trig shoot neutrals in high sec none the less ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/150 "2023-11-13T13:14:16Z")
They’re NBSI. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/151 "2023-11-13T13:14:43Z")
And CONCORD wont intervene? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/152 "2023-11-13T13:15:15Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > And CONCORD wont intervene? why should they ? did they intervene against sansha ? did they intervene against blood raider ? did they intervene against diamond rats ? ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/153 "2023-11-13T13:16:57Z")
Trying to explain EVE high sec currently is like ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/f/2/3f24a2f16bb614e310db8abe1773e468cf1089da.jpeg) And after tomorrow it will get worse ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/154 "2023-11-13T13:18:28Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Trying to explain EVE high sec currently is like maybe its for you … but most player can see how easy HS realy is … clear mechanics … clear consequences ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/155 "2023-11-13T13:29:22Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > maybe its for you … but most player can see how easy HS realy is … clear mechanics … clear consequences Nowadays. Things used to be messy before changes to remote assistance 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/156 "2023-11-13T13:31:25Z")
> [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > Things used to be messy before changes to remote assistance not realy, you just need to understand how it works and then its clear ! like every mechanic ! if you understand the mechanic then its not hart to play within ! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/157 "2023-11-13T13:41:07Z")
> [@Wesfahrn](#): > > Does anyone know why CONCORD doesent shoot trig in high sec? Yes. Lore wise, CONCORD exists to enforce the laws upon _capsuleers_ only. NPC’s are considered non-capsuleer, except when they aren’t. Gotta love the inconsistency. Something something Yaulai accords so many years ago, yadda yadda yadda. It’s all in EvE Uni. In fact, CONCORD is a bit outdated and we were surprised when CCP didn’t hand the role off to EDOMCOM after the trig event had ended. ---
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/158 "2023-11-13T13:41:40Z")
> CONCORD exists to enforce the laws upon _capsuleers_ only Why do capsuleers accept different rules for them compared to trig? Why doesent CONCORD apply the rules equally? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/159 "2023-11-13T13:43:30Z")
It would be ok to remove trigs from gates, Only if CCP gives some goodies to real player gate campers of course. You have to keep the balance. CCP decided to nerf ganking to the ground while adding deadly NPCs . I rather prefer the famous EVE human emergent gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/160 "2023-11-13T13:43:47Z")
why do you dont stop to troll and spam … this answer has given now a few times … ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315/161 "2023-11-13T13:44:06Z")
Good question. It’s a Lore thing. And nothing more. I think it had to do with handling the extreme power a capsuleer has at their mental fingertips vs a normal crewed ship. This is why “rats” exist in highsec, because those ships are not capsuleer ships. They are crewed by lots of pixilated people. Good to know your murdering innocent folks when you blap them huh! So the 4 major powers decided to create a policing agency. The Yulai accords, or whatever, and CONCORD was born. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hi-sec-npcs-that-aggress-indiscriminately-and-offer-no-counterplay-are-toxic-content/427315.md?page=9)