# High Sec and New Player Experience Are Tied - Make a change CCP **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 13, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922 "2021-01-13T16:28:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 11:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/275 "2021-01-22T11:30:27Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > but that’s a depressing thought. I know your feeling, but it’s fine this way. In the end have we been telling people to fight back for years. Years! This is the most emergent content we can get and the modern anti-ganking community is totally unlike the past one. The short-term outlook is _tears_ … … the long-term outlook is glorious! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/276 "2021-01-22T11:32:27Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > This is the most emergent content we can get and the modern anti-ganking community is totally unlike the past one. Agreed there, they actually like… do stuff! ---
**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/277 "2021-01-22T12:19:32Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Half the fun I’ve had has been outplaying those who like to prey on people like me, sadly there are so few hisec predators left that I know many of them by name, and they know everybody else. This IS no fun. All that is wanted is excel with spaceships and on the other side the pew pew paradise,two sides that stand contrary as a solo playstyle,regardless the ‘fun’ of others. So seperate the servers into pvp only and pve only. Ideal solution. And yes i MEAN pvp only,so no industry or roids or reprocesing on the pvp side. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/278 "2021-01-22T12:27:27Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > no industry or roids or reprocesing on the pvp side. Free ships? Awesome, this is getting better. I am 200% behind this guy’s idea ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/279 "2021-01-22T12:28:11Z")
Wouldn’t that just be the test server then? ---
**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/280 "2021-01-22T12:29:19Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Free ships? Awesome, this is getting better. > > I am 200% behind this guy’s idea More like no ships… Unless they see the light or leave. Ganking and forced pvp has to stop here. Maybe education about what would be without pve would teach at least some. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/281 "2021-01-22T12:30:08Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > More like no ships Then its not a PvP server. Gotta have ships for a PvP server, havent you? If theres no market to PvP in. Corvettes will do nicely. ---
**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/282 "2021-01-22T12:31:56Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Then its not a PvP server. > > Gotta have ships for a PvP server, havent you? If theres no market to PvP in. > > Corvettes will do nicely. They can change to the pve severside at anytime and see the light…pve side has no troubles like this. So educate yourself and do pve or leave annoyed…that’ the only possible solution. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/283 "2021-01-22T12:32:17Z")
That’s kind of hypocritical, Balos. We want to share our PvP with you, but you don’t want to share your PvE with us. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/284 "2021-01-22T12:32:46Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > So educte yourself and do pve I do, thats why I agree with your plan. You dont think Im going to be on the PvP server do you? All the salvage contract and markets will be in the PvE server, thats the one for me. ---
**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/285 "2021-01-22T12:33:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > That’s kind of hypocritical, Balos. We want to share our PvP with you, but you don’t want to share your PvE with us. Exactly,leave the anti pew pew faction alone and simply go away. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/286 "2021-01-22T12:33:27Z")
Are you trying to grief me out of the game? I’m pretty sure I can petition that. ---
**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/287 "2021-01-22T12:35:10Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I do, thats why I agree with your plan. > > You dont think Im going to be on the PvP server do you? All the salvage contract and markets will be in the PvE server, thats the one for me. You get that you cannot have pvp of any form on a pve server? So no loot stealing,attacking anybody or even annoy? Even bumping mineships lead to bans. Well i guess you don’t get what a pve server would mean… ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/288 "2021-01-22T12:36:34Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > Well i guess you don’t get what a pve server would mean… Lots of throwaway alts on proxy accounts? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/289 "2021-01-22T12:37:52Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > You get that you cannot have pvp of any form on a pve server? Yes > [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > So no loot stealing,attacking anybody or even annoy? Thats fine. If you are proposing changed to salvage legality then you need to make sure to explain what that is iin detail, but yeah Ill probably agree with it. > [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > Even bumping mineships lead to bans. Just make it so you cant collide, and just clip through, itll be fine and bumping will be gone. > [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > Well i guess you don’t get what a pve server would mean… Why? I agree with all your proposals above, what am I not getting? ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/290 "2021-01-22T12:40:25Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > Well i guess you don’t get what a pve server would mean… Fleets of hulks stripping belt after belt. Minerals at 0.01 ISK. Everyone running missions in blinged out (well as blinged out as finances allow) faction battleships. Howls of outrage as Trig (and Drifter and Rogue Drone) gate camps annihilate the afore mentioned blinged ships. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/291 "2021-01-22T12:41:25Z")
> [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](#): > > Howls of outrage as Trig (and Drifter and Rogue Drone) gate camps annihilate the afore mentioned blinged ships. Nah leave those PvE entities on the PvP server where they belong, new players and peaceful miners should not be having to deal with that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![you\_are\_evil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/you_are_evil/32/246754_2.png) [@you\_are\_evil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/you_are_evil)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/292 "2021-01-22T12:48:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > > [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > > > no industry or roids or reprocesing on the pvp side. > > Free ships? Awesome, this is getting better. > > I am 200% behind this guy’s idea Yes, and how it is because of “a loss must mean something” which is presented in every argument when talking about making everything cheaper. The average PvPler will be happy only if they see fat ZKill entry. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 12:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/293 "2021-01-22T12:52:39Z")
Everyone will be happy! no one has to care what happens on the PvP server or what rules it has because we will be on the PvE server enjoying the market, salvaging, exploring, mining, industry and invention, the things that are best in EvE, none of which are needed any longer on the PvP server. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922/294 "2021-01-22T14:49:52Z")
> [@Trakoro\_Tolada](#): > > You get that you cannot have pvp of any form on a pve server? What about market PvP? And what about mining asteroids that other people cannot mine because of you? What if I have found a relic site and someone got there before me? What is your proposal to get PvP out of those situations? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-and-new-player-experience-are-tied-make-a-change-ccp/289922.md?page=15)