# High Sec Freight Unviable - Ganking Is Too Easy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 11, 2025, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060 "2025-10-11T08:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/386 "2025-12-21T02:46:06Z")
Here is a descent Tholos build that has a little over 500 DPS and close to 1,000 m/3 cargo volume. **Tholos Covert-Ops Merchantmen** ![Screenshot 2025-12-20 214533](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/d/7/5d7e3879a79468a15281663077d5d096a1e1ace2.jpeg) **Cenotaph Covert-Ops Merchantmen** ![Screenshot 2025-12-20 220720](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/4/a/04af02e378dd0a32ceb19aaae3249d67100bbded.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/387 "2025-12-21T02:58:13Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > 2005? > > So you’re telling us that @James_315 > Was created after you had become a ganker? Maybe. James didn’t invent highsec ganking, just popularized the permit scam. All I remember about James is that he kicked me out of his ganking channel because I wouldn’t advertise his stupid scam in my bio. No loss, I had other alts in there to keep getting the intel so my haulers would be safe. Back when I started (shakes cane), Warp to 0 didn’t exist, so ganking was a lot more common when new and lazy haulers/miners landed 15km from where they were warping and had to slow boat in if they didn’t have bookmarks to warp to. You know that invincible and untankable Concord that evading is a violation of the TOS? They weren’t always that way, and I remember why they had to change it. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/388 "2025-12-21T03:01:09Z")
> [@Andlaust](#): > > James didn’t invent highsec ganking, DON’T YOU Dare spread lies! / when **you** had started concord could be killed! That then clearly states that it wouldn’t be considered highsec ganking. /the Yulai Incident and the zombies attacked and destroyed concord. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/389 "2025-12-21T03:24:19Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > DON’T YOU Dare spread lies! His character was a couple months old when I lost that Hulk, and had the people who ganked me teach me what they did so I could avoid it in the future. Yeah, I know this is Heresy for you, but Heresy is why James kicked me out of his channel. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > when **you** had started concord could be killed! Not killed, but tanked if done properly. Also, if you could complete the gank and warp off before Concord landed on grid, you could avoid losing your ship as well. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > That then clearly states that it wouldn’t be considered highsec ganking. ![Screenshot 2025-12-20 202134](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/3/8/e38878439e4ff66c486e7e282d38e9e1c7e8566b.png) By definition, it’s highsec ganking. > [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > the Yulai Incident and the zombies attacked and destroyed concord. MOO was great, weren’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/390 "2025-12-21T03:31:43Z")
There is _ **zero** t_olerance for heresy in my channels. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/391 "2025-12-21T03:34:55Z")
> [@Andlaust](#): > > when I lost that Hulk, and had the people who ganked me teach me So this was that day you had been shown that had lead you to where you are today! Praise James ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/392 "2025-12-21T03:36:43Z")
![heresy](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/7/1/371695e80f14e9b8fcc9fa574247a757577ef2c1.webp) Here ya go, you can use this later. 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 4:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/393 "2025-12-21T04:14:50Z")
- CONCORD being made invulnerable, given firepower/e-war boosts, and being made a kill trigger instead of a functional NPC (“Yulai Incident”) ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/394 "2025-12-21T19:39:04Z")
Aiko, are you shaking with your new channel? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/395 "2025-12-21T19:48:49Z")
That’s right. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/396 "2025-12-21T20:17:38Z")
High Sec freighter runs are still viable. Simply have a few Tholos or Cenotaph escort the freighter while using the Covert Op’s Cloak. When the ship begins to be bumped away from the gate, a few of the escorting breacher destroyers decloak while the rest of the fleet remains far enough away to provide assistance if the gankers show up. Another Cenotaph fit with Target Painters would decloak and then assist in increasing the signature radius of the attacking gankers that will cause more damage to the attacking gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/397 "2025-12-21T22:37:12Z")
I like to bubble the gate so gankers can’t even land on grid. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2025, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/398 "2025-12-21T23:24:15Z")
How pathetic does one has to be to fleet kill their own corporate members to pad their kill board? At least 20% of Aiko’s kills are based on killing ships in her own corporation. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/399 "2025-12-22T00:30:01Z")
I’m a better antiganker than Dryson! 😏 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 1:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/400 "2025-12-22T01:15:25Z")
Since Aiko operates numerous accounts, blockading Aiko in will cause her to waste money. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/401 "2025-12-22T01:20:45Z")
Intelligence is a complex trait indicated by a variety of cognitive and behavioral factors which are directly related to the use of multiple accounts ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/402 "2025-12-22T01:25:23Z")
Nice try Zaerna, but having multiple video gaming accounts is not the same as having numerous degrees, or accounts, in the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Andlaust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andlaust/32/422007_2.png) [@Andlaust](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andlaust)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/403 "2025-12-22T02:17:46Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > How pathetic does one has to be to fleet kill their own corporate members to pad their kill board? I’d say about equal to someone who has spent two decades complaining about the full PvP part of the full PvP game they play. 🤔 Nah, the complainer is definitely the more pathetic of the two. 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/404 "2025-12-22T02:20:05Z")
Hows that horrible cargo hold idea coming? ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2025, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/405 "2025-12-22T02:21:14Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > High Sec freighter runs are still viable. > > Simply have a few Tholos or Cenotaph escort the freighter while using the Covert Op’s Cloak. When the ship begins to be bumped away from the gate, a few of the escorting breacher destroyers decloak while the rest of the fleet remains far enough away to provide assistance if the gankers show up. > > Another Cenotaph fit with Target Painters would decloak and then assist in increasing the signature radius of the attacking gankers that will cause more damage to the attacking gankers. Damn thats sick strategy you cooked up there Dryson. Luckily nobody reads forum so they won’t know about it and won’t escape our ganks. You are poor and never carry anything worth the gank anyway, so that you yourself escape doesn’t really matter. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060.md?page=20)