# High Sec Freight Unviable - Ganking Is Too Easy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 11, 2025, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060 "2025-10-11T08:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/81 "2025-10-15T20:46:14Z")
> [@andrei\_haiducul](#): > > then the cost in alts isn’t worth it for the vast majority of the player base. If you ‘‘must’’ haul 10b in a freighter on high sec trade routes, then pulling CONCORD absolutely makes sense and is cost effective. I’ve never heard of anybody actually doing it, though. I’ve pulled CONCORD myself for smaller hauls. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/82 "2025-10-15T23:32:47Z")
I always pull CONCORD to the gate in Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![Stoic\_FTP](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stoic_ftp/32/476685_2.png) [@Stoic\_FTP](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Stoic_FTP)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2025, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/83 "2025-10-15T23:36:43Z")
Me when I first started playing EVE 15 years ago and saw my first post crying about ganking: Lol… Me when I saw this post today because I decided to check EVE forums: Lol… ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/84 "2025-10-16T00:01:13Z")
Getting ganked is good for the soul. ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/85 "2025-10-16T00:25:16Z")
We had to seek out the ganker witch and this search took weeks but we were rewarded with her presence appearing in local where we interviewed her for the position of being our princess. She had passed our test and the first real gank we had was with her and her friends. We also found out how to avoid being ganked. Suggested that everyone should take their time to reach out to her as she knows her stuff. . ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/86 "2025-10-16T00:43:49Z")
> [@Shaigh](#): > > force players into corps… > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Maybe try joining a group yourself? But I don’t want to join null for a 3rd time. 🙄 Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time. Make small corps viaible again. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/87 "2025-10-16T01:19:33Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > she knows her stuff. She’s the best ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/504356_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 3:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/88 "2025-10-16T03:53:33Z")
Let’s agree to disagree 🤫 ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/89 "2025-10-16T10:52:04Z")
> [@FlyingDisk](#): > > Just because the players who do it have learned both the most efficient way to do something and the best way to mitigate the penalties, doesn’t mean this is true. CCP has repeatedly and severely nerfed ganking over the years, so if you’re dumb enough to lose a freighter in highsec from the only risk you face flying one in highsec, that’s wholly and entirely YOUR fault. The key thing for any hauler ( or indeed anyone else ) to remember is that if they have less than about 10K EHP they can be one-shotted…that is to say the ganker only needs one shot to kill them as the ganker has huge alpha DPS. I _regularly_ see people one-shotted by a solo ganker outside Jita, usually flying a Tornado. Amazingly, people leave or arrive at Jita in ships with wafer thin tank…yet carrying hundreds of millions or even billions of ISK worth of stuff. And it’s never their own fault, in their own eyes, when they get ganked. I make sure _all_ my ships are above the ‘one shot’ limit. Even my Sunesis, which has sub 2 second align time, has an EHP of 17K or so. ---
**Author:** ![Gran\_Man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gran_man/32/487998_2.png) [@Gran\_Man](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gran_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/90 "2025-10-16T14:02:28Z")
The gankers dont need 20 ships anymore. You will get ganked in 1.0 with 3 chars. It doesnt matter how much ehp your ship has. > **[Anshar | Myr Canini | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/130545047/)** > > Myr Canini (Fungeon Industries) lost their Anshar in New Caldari (The Forge). Final Blow by zLegion (L.E.G.I.O.N) flying in a Cenotaph. Total Value: 9,459,293,939.47 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Gealbhan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gealbhan/32/452651_2.png) [@Gealbhan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gealbhan)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/91 "2025-10-16T14:37:00Z")
100mil is nothing. I just sent you 100mil in the game. Enjoy 🍺 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/92 "2025-10-16T14:52:08Z")
Prove it - send me **1 billion** ![200](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/3/2/832d6410ab1dff667cb30e8f6ec8d8125d5ad4e4.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/93 "2025-10-16T14:55:18Z")
> [@Gran\_Man](#): > > The gankers dont need 20 ships anymore. You will get ganked in 1.0 with 3 chars. > > It doesnt matter how much ehp your ship has. That was _not_ a gank. I see no evidence that the LEGION guy lost his ships to Concord. Looks to me like you were either a wardec target or a suspect….neither of which constitute ‘ganking’. ---
**Author:** ![Power\_Armor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/power_armor/32/413178_2.png) [@Power\_Armor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Power_Armor)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/94 "2025-10-16T15:06:04Z")
Really? If so, you need to learn how to read zkillboard. Maybe start by analyzing what happens here consecutively on the zLegion guys and their Cenotaphs. You see freighters get killed and right before you see a Cenotaph being shot down: > **[Prime Admiral | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/2123106976/)** > > Prime Admiral: 656 ships destroyed and 345 ships lost. Just that zkillboard doesn’t mark a kill as ganked or wartarget is no indication. This mechanic was and is always unreliable. Also you don’t know if Cenotaphs don’t count as a ship type for a gank evaluation or because of only 3-4 ships involved it is not counted as a gank yet. But i mainly suspect it is due to the new and different weapons mechanics that got introduced with the Cenotaph. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/95 "2025-10-16T16:22:32Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > But I don’t want to join null for a 3rd time. 🙄 Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth every time. Make small corps viaible again. What was it about your previous null groups that you disliked? While in large lines they can be similar, different groups can have different rules and different interactions. > [@Gealbhan](#): > > 100mil is nothing. I just sent you 100mil in the game. Enjoy 🍺 Thanks! ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/optimized/4X/3/8/e/38e9b028bd8f46733189ab221d7130fa3547ae94_2_690x34.png) ---
**Author:** ![Apo\_Bong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/apo_bong/32/512751_2.png) [@Apo\_Bong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Apo_Bong)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/96 "2025-10-16T17:17:40Z")
You can’t ‘tank’ the gateguns with a corvette to pull concord to the gate. You could do it with multiple taking into account the first will die without spawning any, but not a lone rookie ship. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/97 "2025-10-16T19:12:56Z")
> [@Gran\_Man](#): > > You will get ganked in 1.0 with 3 chars. did you know, that this KM shows 4 attackers ? Oo so your just a liar ! ---
**Author:** ![Gran\_Man](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gran_man/32/487998_2.png) [@Gran\_Man](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gran_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/98 "2025-10-16T19:22:34Z")
Here you go: > **[Fenrir | Elder Carlie | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/130407323/)** > > Elder Carlie (Brutor Tribe) lost their Fenrir in Urlen (The Forge). Final Blow by zLegion A (L.E.G.I.O.N) flying in a Cenotaph. Total Value: 33,936,621,187.93 ISK ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/99 "2025-10-16T19:26:52Z")
now you are rehabilitated ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2025, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060/100 "2025-10-17T00:06:46Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > What was it about your previous null groups that you disliked? Having the best playground in the game. The most profit. The least risk. The most boring gameplay which is why we have such low numbers now after new players discover what’s left of a good game when there forced into null if they want to mine safe? What do they give the game as alphas? Especially now that null hands seem to be tied as to large battles. Maybe because of TD, I don’t know… I just miss being one of Robin Hoods Merry Men! [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/c/8/bc8dfdec0c8be0352037744ffdb9545e9feeff5b.jpeg "ROBIN HOOD: MEN IN TIGHTS Clip - "Musical Number" (1993) Mel Brooks") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSUrqiU8Azo) I guess what I miss most is when null were the hardest targets. I didn’t need to “grief” players, (not gank, totally different) and punch above my weight limit? Meh, never to return… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-freight-unviable-ganking-is-too-easy/499060.md?page=6)