# High Sec Miner Ganking **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [November 24, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672 "2021-11-24T19:32:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 7:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/101 "2021-12-16T19:55:47Z")
I have a feeling that this thread is going to be good. A few of the holy bait words have been uttered. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Raace\_D\_harun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/raace_d_harun/32/301214_2.png) [@Raace\_D\_harun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Raace_D_harun)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/102 "2021-12-16T20:05:01Z")
Yeah, for sure; I was just saying the Exhumer’s overall have enough tank to ward off a single Catalyst. You can hit 50k+ with 3 mining upgrades no problem which gives you effectively max yield which honestly is quite good compared to before the patch. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2021, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/103 "2021-12-17T02:06:43Z")
I am happy a 200+mil ship can now survive a gank from 1 or 2 catalysts They are t2 ships after all. ---
**Author:** ![Hans\_Devin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hans_devin/32/373511_2.png) [@Hans\_Devin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hans_Devin)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 6:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/104 "2021-12-23T06:20:53Z")
Sit down for this one…I also agree. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 8:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/105 "2021-12-23T08:38:40Z")
The killright feature is cumbersome, if you get targeted and shot by gankers, you need to activate manually the kill right, and if you do not, and try to defend yourself, shooting at the gankers, you get popped by CONCORD… from a defensive POV, that is insane, is like you have no rights to carry a gun and use it whilst at gunpoint because you were supposed to show up at your local police station, whilst at gunpoint, denounce the gankers, and only then you are allowed to shoot back. Obviously that isn’t going to turn out well. If Anyone, not just an Alt, but anyone, could IMMEDIATELY shoot back at the gankers the moment they land a hit… That would dramatically change things, allowing privates to actually provide some protections to miners, if not directly anyone in the Fleet who might be flying a good PVP ship that could at least buy the miners some time to warp off and save its assets… Killrights activation is by far the biggest issue that has to be corrected if civilans and Pve’ers can have a chance of reprisal without having to rely on Concord respond time… Just a simple change, like automatically decide to make every killrights immediately public to anyone, and activated for everyone, could get things on the right path for a better overall experience… except for the gankers, of course… So someone could still decide to sell the killrights, whilst giving the choice to the one who would, to do otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/106 "2021-12-23T09:02:54Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > if you get targeted and shot by gankers, you need to activate manually the kill right, and if you do not, and try to defend yourself, shooting at the gankers, you get popped by CONCORD No and no, If someone shoots you, you are always free to defend yourself immediately, as you wish. CONCORD will not interfere (CONCORD will come and kill the gankers, but they will not kill you if you shoot back at a ganker that shoots you). Killrights are an ability for you (or someone you give the rights access to), to take revenge on the ganker in the next 30 days. > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > If Anyone, not just an Alt, but anyone, could IMMEDIATELY shoot back at the gankers the moment they land a hit… Yep. That’s already how the game works. On top of that, many gankers are outlaw status and can be shot at even before they shoot. > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Just a simple change, like automatically decide to make every killrights immediately public to anyone, and activated for everyone, This is a terrible idea. Gankers would just use alts to pop themselves in a rookie ship and clear their killrights every time. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/107 "2021-12-23T09:14:09Z")
Yeah, except I got concorded in my Rattlesnake for shooting back at a ganker that warp scrambled me, I scrambled him back , and Concord I went Puff in a 1 Bil ship… If you say so… I don’t believe it’s working that way… based on my experience, that you’re saying, it didn’t work so well in my case… So either I’m missing something, or it isn’t as straightforward… ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/108 "2021-12-23T09:17:48Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Yeah, except I got concorded in my Rattlesnake for shooting back at a ganker that warp scrabled me, I think you have a misunderstanding here, because it doesn’t work like that at all. You should be able to grab the combat log from your computer. If you post it here, I’m sure we’ll be able to show you what happened. But there is no way a ganker started a criminal action against you and you were then CONCORDed for responding. The game has never worked that way and does not work that way. Also, why do you have your safety set to Red in highsec, especially when flying a Rattlesnake? Set it green. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/109 "2021-12-23T09:18:38Z")
It was before safety ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/110 "2021-12-23T09:19:48Z")
OK, that makes sense (I personally wish the game would go back to that). That also rules out pulling the logs. That is years ago, however the game doesn’t work as you’ve described and never has. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/111 "2021-12-23T09:23:10Z")
The gankers does not even shows up in the killmail… 2013.11.30 00:36:00 Victim: Queotzcatl Destroyed: Rattlesnake System: Osmon Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 64342 Involved parties: Name: CONCORD Police Commander / CONCORD Damage Done: 55988 Name: Minmatar Sentry Gun / Sisters of EVE (laid the final blow) Damage Done: 8354 ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/112 "2021-12-23T09:26:08Z")
They do it here… 2016.07.18 04:24:55 Victim: Queotzcatl Destroyed: Retriever System: Osmon Security: 0.7 Damage Taken: 7522 Involved parties: Name: Plasma Death (laid the final blow) Security: -10.00 Corp: New Order Logistics Alliance: CODE. Faction: None Ship: Catalyst Weapon: Light Neutron Blaster II Damage Done: 4703 Name: Liek DarZ Security: -10.0 Corp: New Order Logistics Alliance: CODE. Faction: None Ship: Catalyst Weapon: Catalyst Damage Done: 2814 ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/113 "2021-12-23T09:31:10Z")
By what you are saying anyone could kill a red flashing skull without consequences? I can’t believe it. I really must be missing something since inception. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/114 "2021-12-23T09:32:32Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > By what you are saying anyone could kill a red flashing skull without consequences? Yes, anyone can shoot at a red flashy at anytime without retribution from CONCORD. > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > I can’t believe it. I really must be missing something since inception. Might be worth logging in game and trying it out. > [@Queotzcatl](#): > > The gankers does not even shows up in the killmail… > > 2013.11.30 00:36:00 So likely he didn’t engage you. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/115 "2021-12-23T09:40:54Z")
Take at this video example, why the all the Barghest on field didn’t immediately shoot the gankers??? I don’t get it… If it was so easy everyone could have shot down the Catlysts, but none did… untill the Procurer in the vid went down and then Concord popped up… [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/6/2/c62cb36471408ef55d9193132b7b3e213dbb9ef9.jpeg "EVE Online - Orca Ice Mining & Procurer Ganked") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6JtvMGYo8) ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/116 "2021-12-23T09:43:50Z")
> [@Queotzcatl](#): > > Take at this video example, why the all the Barghest on field didn’t immediately shoot the gankers??? It’s hard to shoot anything when you are AFK? or, The lock time of a Barghest on a destroyer is so poor that by the time they reacted, CONCORD showed up first and killed the gankers. or etc. Seriously, log into game and go do it. There is a complete lack of knowledge of the mechanics here and continuing to post as though the mechanics are wrong is a bit dumb. You can just go test it yourself. Then you’ll absolutely know. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/117 "2021-12-23T13:15:12Z")
> [@Essara-Ta](#): > > What are you talking about? I’ve been playing EVE since 2009 (not this alt), there is NOTHING you can do in your hulk if I want to kill you in high sec with my Catalyst. Literally nothing if you don’t know I’m trying to kill you and you cant watch local for me. I will have alt in cloaked ship come right next to you and my suicide ganker will jump in and warp right next to you. You die in 9 seconds, AFK or not. lol I’d love to see a single Catalyst suicide gank a Hulk in HiSec. Hulks have like 40k EHP now. CCP has once again buffed the AFK lazy mining playstyle and once again made barges even harder to gank. But we’re gonna keep ganking; you can’t stop us. ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/118 "2021-12-23T14:15:22Z")
Maybe I am missing something but you are posting an 8 year old killmail? ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/120 "2021-12-23T23:41:45Z")
Well that was it for me mining ever since… what’s wrong with it? Code is still very much alive… And me too… ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672/122 "2021-12-24T22:21:45Z")
Now the trouble with point one . There are around 4 or five groups that gank around jita , even the one’s selling you the permit don’t honour them or will find a loop hole and pop you anyway. So don’t waste your 10mill [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-miner-ganking/338672.md?page=7)