# High sec should be.. more safe **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 17, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631 "2019-09-17T00:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/499 "2019-09-22T18:08:52Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just for you education : “necessarly mean” \<=\> “imply” No hun, I’m sorry. Those have a very different meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/500 "2019-09-22T18:09:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > No hun, I’m sorry. Those have a very different meaning. They don’t in the context of logical inference. They have the exact same meaning, in this particular case. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/501 "2019-09-22T18:10:47Z")
You don’t understand logic, and aren’t qualified to speak about logic. Let’s go back to the source I posted above, which you didn’t read. I think I overwhelmed you. > the usual mantra, “Correlation does not imply causation,” is true only in a trivial sense What do you think about that? Are you guilty of applying this mantra in a trivial sense? Are you perhaps even a trivial person? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/502 "2019-09-22T18:12:55Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You don’t understand logic, and aren’t qualified to speak about logic. lol. You have literally zero education in science. You have literally zero education in logic, and even quote someone who says the opposite of what you claim. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/503 "2019-09-22T18:13:14Z")
I’m going to stop responding to you in this discussion. I can see that you are wilfully ignorant, as others such as Knowledgeminer have observed. I posted several links to articles written by scientists, discussing how it is pseudoscientific to dismiss correlation as evidence. You refused to read them. There’s really nothing more to say. You don’t know what you are talking about, and you are not a constructive participant in the discussion. You are just an ignorant child, who throws forum temper tantrums. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/504 "2019-09-22T18:14:22Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I posted several links to articles written by scientists, discussing how it is pseudoscientific to dismiss correlation as evidence. except they explicitly affirm that you are wrong. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You refused to read them. I did read one, it literally says the opposite of your claim. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > You don’t know what you are talking about You literally affirm the opposite of one of the fundamentals of science, here : > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > In other words, correlation (despite the words of your CCP science advisor) does imply causation, Which is actually very clearly said to be false in your own quote : > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > correlation does not necessarily mean causation You thus show very clearly that you have ZERO education in science. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/505 "2019-09-22T18:18:32Z")
Why haven’t you guys blocked that certain flag abuser yet? All they do is drag the discourse into the dirt with their narcissism. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/506 "2019-09-22T18:19:28Z")
Great idea. Anderson is now blocked, because she is guilty of refusing to read scientific articles after framing her debate in terms of a scientific discussion. She chose her game, I played, and she lost. Game over. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/507 "2019-09-22T18:20:35Z")
Except you played, and showed yourself as the fool. You claimed one thing and quoted someone who literally says the opposite of what you claim. You also proved at the same time that you have literally zero scientific education, therefore giving very little credit to your claims of PhD. You made a strawman about my affirmation of the existence of a causation. You kept claiming that affirming things without the required knowledge is better than expressing one’s opinions as such, or than not expressing opinion. You revealed yourself as an idiot, and a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/508 "2019-09-22T18:58:03Z")
Dear Grud, save me from this thread. I know Ive done wrong, but please end this. Oh Grud, now Ive added to it. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/509 "2019-09-22T21:31:21Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You ever think threads like this are allowed to exist because the ISDs think its funny? > > Or are they just basically not bothering anymore. Being a moderator is a thankless job that can do a number on your liver, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they leave these threads up to laugh at them. > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > There are tutorials for stuff like that. The EVE uni wiki is a very good source. Also people can just ask here, which is even more convenient, as we are always willing o help. > > And some may even find it part of the game to figure this stuff out on their own. I mean isn’t that part of the fun of a computer game? Yeah, I get that, I just think that it would be nice to collate all of that information together into a single source with a table of contents, index, and glossary. Of course, if someone _did_ put all that work in then - in the true spirits of EvE - they should expect to be paid for it.😆 > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/d/2db567ad3ae22be9342990a65c77e8aecadd3f04.png) > > QcYV5o3.png566×565 79.6 KB What is _that_ from, Warhammer 40,000? > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > What details? > > We can’t just allow the playerbase to get fat and lazy. It’s not good for the market and it doesn’t make for an interesting game. Look at what happened when we allowed nullsec to get fat and lazy. And realise that 70% of players are in hi-sec. > > The market requires destruction to work. War deccing and duelling are woefully ineffective at providing destruction becuase they are entirely consensual and come with plenty of warning. No one who’s paying a modicum of attention is risking their freighters in a wardec or a duel. Without ganking they are effectively un-killable in hi-sec. Same as everyone’s blinged mission/incursion ship. > > Other than ganking, what mechanics are there to provide the necessary destruction in hi-sec. What dangers are there to peoples stuff? Okay, I guess I can…_kinda_ understand that. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Warp begins when you are aligned at ~75% max velocity. Webbing a target lowers its max velocity. Max velocity can be lowered enough by webs such that freighters can near insta-warp. This makes them very hard to bump and gank. > > - Get a frig with two webs. > - Start a duel with your freighter friend/pilot. > - Get within web range of the freighter. > - Tell the freighter to initiate warp. > - Lock up the frieghter and activate webs ASAP. > - Watch freighter instantly enter warp. Thank you, this is very helpful. > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > Well since your interested I’ll give you a basic breakdown… > > You can fit modules that boost your base armor/shield hp, also fit a damage control unit, and some resistance modules(hardeners), as an added bonus remember to overheat your hardeners before turning them on and before the gankers start shooting for maximum EHP/resistance efficiency. > > When I collect their killrights it is more or less depending on my mood how much I charge them. Since their tornadoes are usually fit for maximum alpha damage the cost of the ship and it’s fittings comes to around 100mil according to zkill (maybe it is more or less I don’t care…) > > So I assume if I charge them 50 million isk for a kill right it is still cheaper than them waiting to get ganked while in a tornado because of the kill right they have so most of the time if they want to get back to business they will just buy the kill rights and kill themselves with other clones. Thus adding to the total loss of already losing one 100 mil tornadoes, paying for a kill right and again waiting another 15 minutes before getting back to business. > > We actually have a rule that the gankers must pay to lift their own killrights themselves but some less patient players made the assumptions that sending us ISK would make us lift them but part of the rule is they must wait an additional 15 minutes after the kill right is used, however it may be payed for by them or other players trying to kill them. > > Although we are allowed to accept ISK, we can lift the kill rights and then immediately place them back up again before their criminal timer ends after the initial gank just for the added fun that they assumed we would leave them off because of making donations and then they get ganked anyways when they were perfectly willing to do it themselves. Thank you for the explanation! > [@Rocket\_Hellfire](#): > > What?? HIGH-SECURITY SPACE, should be… Secure? That would be axiomatic to anyone with even semi-reasonable intellect. > > CCP? Logic? Words don’t mean anything in this post-modern world the ‘woke’ have brought upon us… > > Safe. in HIGH-SECURITY SPACE. HA! Hisec _is_ secure, it’s just not perfectly safe. > [@Haulie\_Berry](#): > > This appears to just be an argument in favor of renaming high sec. Nah, it’s fine. High =/= perfect, after all. > [@Punctator](#): > > yeh put them all to jail - and every day at 20:00 utc - we should wath how concord guillotine them all in jita 🤣 and make them free again. They dont feel like real criminals because of no true fun penalty so they are always evil and frustrated. Okay, that’s a little more graphic than necessary. I realize you don’t like gankers (spoiler: neither do I) but this post is taking it too far. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > Hey, we got plenty of actual CODE fortizars - you are welcome to declare war on us. Has anyone ever managed to kill one of those? You guys have downright ludicrous amounts of resources to throw around, so I’d be surprised if someone actually accomplished it… > [@Andski](#): > > You can get mugged right outside the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, right in the heart of the world’s financial capital. Security ultimately only tries to maximize the likelihood that an offender gets punished. Precisely. This isn’t _Minority Report_ (and thank god for _that_). > [@Mark\_Marconi](#): > > Hi-Security space, like being mugged inside the Fed or the US President mugged in the oval office. No, it’s like getting mugged in a well-patrolled area of a major city; the criminal either doesn’t care about getting caught or is just plain dumb, and the police are going to be after them rather quickly. > [@Korgoth\_of-Barbaria](#): > > DO NOT MAKE THIS GAME MORE SAFE in any SEC > > It’s lame enough. Please, do the opposite. This game is turning into a total snoozefest. Not the same game I started playing years ago. > > Go play sim city if you want to farm, wuss. Can you explain what it was like back in the “old days” and how they differ? > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Hi-sec → Less dangerous Sec. > Lo-sec → More dangerous Sec > Null-sec → Very dangerous Sec > J-space → Here Be Dragons ! Personally, I’d go with safer-\>unsafe-\>dangerous-\>highly dangerous, but yours is good too! > [@Andre\_Matar](#): > > Not Asking Aiko here, but, does this have any truth to it? Not really, no. CODE. are funded by several nullsec blocs, including Goonswarm, the richest alliance in the game. They’re also so obnoxious about what they do people tend to cheer when they get dunked on, though this doesn’t seem to happen very often because they’re pretty good at what they do. > [@Andre\_Matar](#): > > This actually makes a lot of sense. I would simply rename hisec to mildsec or medium sec or something. Would prepare players much better for what is to come. Nah, that seems unneccessary. I wouldn’t be averse to there being a hisec/medsec/lowsec division, but getting rid of hisec entirely seems like a bad idea. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I help new players join Karmafleet for just one billion isk. 🤨 What sort of newbro is going to have a spare billion ISK lying around to pay you? > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > You know, because it hurts you really deep if someone calls you a carebear (or white knight) (because it is true), that doesn’t mean it will have the same effect on people where it just obviously doesn’t fit. 🤣 Let’s face it, most people appear to have forgotten the meaning of the word - if they ever knew it in the first place - and just sling it at anyone they don’t like. > [@Korgoth\_of-Barbaria](#): > > Definitely one of the most original and entertaining groups I’ve seen in any game, ever. I’ve never understood why people are entertained by them (personal taste I guess), but I’ll definitely agree that they’re something new. > [@Andski](#): > > and their targets do everything they can to make sure that they present an easy, juicy target > > “why yes, i’m going to load up this t1 industrial with 20 billion isk worth of crap and set it to autopilot to jita” Yeah, that’s just poor gameplay. There ought to be a warning about that, like [the old AURA’s mockery when you got podded for the first time](https://youtu.be/mgF3btfRO8M). ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/510 "2019-09-22T21:35:23Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised to learn they leave these threads up to laugh at them. And they say I’m the one who’s sick. I’ll tell you something for nothing, the crazies are the ones with stethoscopes. I wonder what the inside of a Koala looks like? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/511 "2019-09-22T21:41:33Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > OMFG it’s almost the same thing ! > You are saying something stupid, again. You don’t know what a strawman is, not after all this time of having used that crap to try to denigrate others, not after me giving you an article where you could learn what it is, not after me trying to make it easier for you to understand because you were unable to understand it yourself… And you have the bollocks to pretend it’s _me_ who has comprehension issues and says stupid things… For something to be a strawan, it has to be (1) a misrepresentation of the opponent’s argument, that is then (2) argued against, and (3) used as if refuting the misrepresentation was a refutal of the actual opponent’s argument as well when in fact it isn’t. You’re trying to make it look like your definition and “understanding” of the term are “almost” the same as the actual thing by completely ignoring precisely what makes them plain wrong. The strawman does not have to be (and usually is not) something that the opponent meant or implied. And merely answering or replying to an argument by making reference to something that the opponent meant already doesn’t make it a strawman either. In fact, the very example you provided to illustrate your definition is, as described, **not** a strawman, nor are the cases in which you claimed I was making strawmans in this thread [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/355) and [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/438), for example, which clearly shows you have no idea what you’re talking about when you use the term. The really funny thing about all this nonsense is that it all happened as a result of the incorrect use of the term you made to refer to something I said, making a strawman yourself in the process, then making a big deal of an inconsequential mistake I made, which ironically all turned out to be a case of me acknowledging the mistake precisely because I know what a strawman is, whereas you keep making an incorrect use of the term and falsely accusing me of making strawmans without even being aware you’re doing it wrong, precisely because you have no idea what you’re talking about… 🤣 > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > That is where you distort what I wrote, again. > Lie, again. LOL. That was sarcasm, which you clearly don’t get either, not even after me telling you what that was about in my previous post… 🤣 When I said “You’ve decided that 10 years is too much for it to remain valid and that’s all we should care about”, the only thing I was claiming that you had said or implied there was the “10 years is too much for it to remain valid” part, not the rest. The “that’s all we should care about” part was sarcasm aimed at the irrelevance of you pretending that CCP’s statement was invalidated by the fact that it was 10 years old. That you need these things be explained to you, and not just once, but yet again and in such detail _after having told you it was sarcasm in my previous post already_, is truly amazing and says A LOT about your (in)ability to communicate with others… Interestingly enough, you also completely dodged (again) in your reply what I was _really_ claiming you had said and done and how you were contradicting yourself, by pretending at first that CCP’s statement being 10 years old invalidated it in any way, only to later say “I have no idea why you want the age of the declaration to be important”… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > So you do _actually_ insult people all the time, > > I don’t. […] I called you stupid because 🤣 🤣 🤣 > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I explain you where you are wrong every time. LOL. Every single time you’ve claimed I was wrong other than that mistake I acknowledged already, you simply dodged the issue after me proving you were the one that was wrong or outright lying. You could have easily seen that happening all the time if you hadn’t been abusing the system by systematically flagging all the replies to try to hide them for a while… 🤣 Look, this belonged to the beginning of the post, but I moved it here because it perfectly illustrates what I just said. It’s not just this one case, btw, you do crap like this that you then dodge and try to hide from view all the time: > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > lie. > No source =\> no argument. > Whatever you refer to, it’s lost in al the blabbering, the lies and the stupidity you posted before. **You** are the only one blatantly, repeatedly, lying here all the time. The sole reason there is no source is that **you** completely dodged the issue and frivolously flagged the post that was exposing your lie to make it more difficult for everyone, including yourself, to see. It’s not that it gets “lost in al the blabbering”. It’s that you do everything you can to try to make that happen, including abusing the flagging system to hide the posts that expose your lies for as long as possible to make it all more difficult to read and follow. Anyway, you asked for it, so here it is. Enjoy: > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > Except you just affirm things without any basis. > > Such as? Oh wait, it’s not that I do that, it’s that you’re gonna lie about it again, right? > > > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > > > You literally made a strawman when claiming my opinion assumed you did not like Eve or wanted it to be something else here > > > > > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > > > > > I don’t want to make EvE anything. If I didn’t like EvE or wanted it to be something else, I’d simply go play some other game I liked more instead. > > Yeah, as expected. You don’t see the problem of me not saying anything there about your opinion on anything, nor me claiming you had asked me that either, which you were falsely claiming in previous posts I had done, do you? > > But of course, you’re gonna completely dodge that little problem, or if you don’t, you’re gonna play word games around it, and pretend it’s _me_ who “go on strawman, can’t accept that what he wrote is actually completely stupid, goes all aggressive, and then affirms that him being wrong means he is right”, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Abib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abib/32/162001_2.png) [@Abib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abib)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/512 "2019-09-22T21:50:28Z")
> [@Theminers\_Deninard](#): > > how they can continue ganking after months? It’s profitable and game mechanics and tags allow for it. Sorry, am I stating the obvious? I hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/513 "2019-09-22T21:53:35Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > The strawman does not have to be (and usually is not) something that the opponent meant or implied. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > something else that it meant in the first place. Learn to read. The important word here is : “ELSE” Something ELSE that it meant, is something that it did NOT mean. So yeah, comprehension issues. You can claim as much as you want that I dodge the issue : the fact is, every time you present an issue the issue comes from YOU. Your mistakes, your issues. And then you keep repeating your mistakes, making judgements onme based on your misunderstandings. Yeah, I call that blabbering. Next time you think I am wrong (which happens often) explain clearly why this is wrong, and drop your personal attacks which only convey your lack of will to participate in a discussion - Otherwise, don’t complain when your stupid mistakes are called as such. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/514 "2019-09-22T22:04:47Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > What is _that_ from, Warhammer 40,000? It’s from Nemesis the Warlock, a 2000AD comic series; which is basically a suitably dark sci-fi Spanish Inquisition, told from the viewpoint of a fire breathing alien protagonist. > **[Nemesis the Warlock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nemesis_the_Warlock)** > > Nemesis the Warlock is a comic series created by writer Pat Mills and artist Kevin O'Neill which appeared in the pages of the British weekly comics anthology 2000 AD. The title character, a fire-breathing demonic alien, fights against the fanatical Torquemada, Grand Master of the Terran Empire in Earth's distant future, and his attempts to exterminate all alien life. The series began in 1980, in prog 167 of 2000 AD, with a story called Comic Rock "Terror Tube", in which a freedom fighter calle... ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/515 "2019-09-22T22:59:05Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Warp begins when you are aligned at ~75% max velocity. Webbing a target lowers its max velocity. Max velocity can be lowered enough by webs such that freighters can near insta-warp. This makes them very hard to bump and gank. > > - Get a frig with two webs. > - Start a duel with your freighter friend/pilot. > - Get within web range of the freighter. > - Tell the freighter to initiate warp. > - Lock up the frieghter and activate webs ASAP. > - Watch freighter instantly enter warp. To add to this, certain Minmatar ships have bonus to web range which is very convenient. The downside is that the presence of these ships is a good sign they are being used to web freighters. (It always amuses me to see freighters entering warp sideways) > [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > Yeah, I get that, I just think that it would be nice to collate all of that information together into a single source with a table of contents, index, and glossary. Of course, if someone _did_ put all that work in then - in the true spirits of EvE - they should expect to be paid for it. IMHO, the eve-uni wiki is just that single source. That’s how I saw it as a new player and it was infinitely better than the CCP wiki. And: > Everyone is welcome to contribute to the UniWiki! ---
**Author:** ![Valiran\_Teleros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valiran_teleros/32/504787_2.png) [@Valiran\_Teleros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valiran_Teleros)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 11:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/516 "2019-09-22T23:01:38Z")
> [@Korgoth\_of-Barbaria](#): > > Yeah…I shoot at them all the time when they’re red/yellow just like I’m sure they’d gank me if I was hauling afk like an idiot. It’s part of the game. > > …and neither me nor them cries about it and demands we change the entire game afterwards [Well, one of them certainly cried about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5igenp/code_salt_best_salt/), but I think he got kicked out for being an ass. > [@Harabec\_Ojutai](#): > > Lol, although I disagree with your original premise, I **love** this answer. Same here.😁 > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I would like to return to Anderson’s strawman argument, stating that PvE mining is **required** for PvP to occur. Now, as the facts clearly show, we can engage in PvP without any PvE mining, which certainly casts some doubt upon the carebear’s thesis. It kinda is, though? Unless someone mines the minerals needed to build ships, then there are no ships. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > We can obtain frigates for FREE, from any station. Furthermore, each frigate comes with a free piece of tritanium, and they can also be reprocessed. Without even taking into account loot dropped when NPC miners kill NPC gankers, or the vast stockpiles of ships and equipment which players have already, it is quite clearly that even without any miners, PvP would remain possible in EVE. Okay, the loot drops argument makes sense, though I think the vast stockpiles you’re talking about would eventually run down until we were all flying around in frigates and little more. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Only two things are certain in life, death and taxes. > > One day both will catch up with me, until then screw the reaper and sodomise the revenue collectors. Okay, _rude!_ > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > there’s only one brand that is suited for him. > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/0/4/20466fe585325c0de5f85cf5fde957cb682f7cc4.jpeg) :facepalm: YOU’RE NOT HELPING ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/517 "2019-09-22T23:02:38Z")
> [@Valiran\_Teleros](#): > > :facepalm: YOU’RE NOT HELPING What, you don’t like harissa ? What a waste. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2019, 11:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/518 "2019-09-22T23:18:07Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Something ELSE that it meant, is something that it did NOT mean. This doesn’t look right to me, but English isn’t my native language. Any native English speakers here may confirm whether this is correct? More specifically, and to put that in context in case it makes a difference, whether the following sentence means what she says it means? > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > A strawman is when someone answers to an argument by making it say something else that it meant in the first place. Not that it makes a difference to the fact that she doesn’t know what a strawman is and makes an incorrect use of the term, even if she got _that part_ right, but I’d like to know anyway… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You can claim as much as you want that I dodge the issue See? This is what’s so funny about all your crap. You’re saying that in the very same post where you prove you dodge the issue every time I prove you wrong so you may pretend it never happened… And you seem to believe that showing the utterly dishonest person you are every time you post makes you look smarter or something… You behave as if you thought you get to choose what the reality about yourself is by merely stating it and you could make people ignore the facts by merely ignoring them yourself… It’s not the first time I see something like this, but it still amazes me every time I see it because it does no good to the people that do that, like yourself, but you still do it nonetheless… > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Next time you think I am wrong (which happens often) explain clearly why this is wrong You don’t see the problem with you repeatedly saying things like that in the very same posts where you dodge the very same proofs and explanations you’re asking for, do you? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631.md?page=26)