# High sec should be.. more safe **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 17, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631 "2019-09-17T00:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/131 "2019-09-17T15:51:42Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > available skill levels they have access to maxes out at around 20mil SP TIL! You can tell I don’t own any alpha accounts lol. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/132 "2019-09-17T15:54:49Z")
I think you have done a dis-service to many people by your title, it is not that hisec should be more safe, but that the penalties for criminal behaviour should create more content. I have suggested a number of times that once security status goes below a certain level the character concerned can no longer dock in hisec Empire stations. This was not from a desire of safety, nor from a desire to punish them directly, but more to make them rely on player structures to create the possibility that people might start interdicting them and there being a value in doing that. I always thought that those tags were a seriously bad idea by CCP and I would remove them, another buff to ganking that not one single ganker acknowledges, but without them loitering as a Tornado ganker would be made more difficult. On the other side of this tethering should continue to be allowed where they have the right to do so. Because you do not want to make it impossible. Regretfully your ill advised choice of title has enabled the normal forum posters to go to town, so please think through when you say things. To give you an idea, I am now officially happy with the state of freighter ganking because it is no longer possible to bump with no consequences at all. This is the type of balance you need to get to in terms of hisec. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/133 "2019-09-17T15:58:19Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > people might start interdicting them Highsec interdiction from a citadel is damn near impossible. Not to mention the fact that a ganker holding corp can easily just anchor 30 structures (raits will do it) and you’ll have to have like 150 people to cover the exits. While I agree with the concept of player content, and people fighting gankers, it’s not really feasible without allowing proper interdiction in highsec (bubbles). That said there are certainly complications to allowing this, which would snowball out of control quickly. Bubblers would almost immediately end up concorded after dropping a drag bubble on a highsec gate. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/134 "2019-09-17T16:00:07Z")
Poor choice of words on my part, I meant threatening those people who allow them to dock in their structures, and blowing them up if they continue to allow them where it is possible of course and removing the gankers own structures. That is what I meant by interdiction, perhaps strategic interdiction is a better way to say it? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/135 "2019-09-17T16:00:11Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Any player, suicide ganker or otherwise, should pay for the game when they’re actually playing it. It’s clearly not a trial anymore. What? Why? Who are you (or me, for that matter) to decide what an alpha should or should not be able to do? And why would this be an issue in the context of suicide ganking, which is what we’re supposed to be talking about here? > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > going red in an alpha just encourages players to not pay for a subscription game How does allowing alphas to go red encourage them to _not_ pay for a subscription? What are you basing this assertion on? If anything, it might encourage them to go omega so they may run at least 2 accounts and do the whole thing properly, if they happen to like it after having tried it… But this is none of your business, nor mine for that matter. This is entirely up to CCP and would be a purely _business_ decision not having anything to do with making high sec safer or not, which is what this thread is supposed to be about… > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > At the end of the day, I put the blame on CCP for not realizing how retarded some people are. They didn’t explain clearly enough in the NPE (that didn’t exist when most of these whiners started playing, assuming they would have even done an NPE to begin with) that Eve isn’t meant to be a safe space. Anywhere. Not in highsec, not in lowsec, not even docked LOL. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/136 "2019-09-17T16:03:57Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Poor choice of words on my part, I meant threatening those people who allow them to dock in their structures, and blowing them up if they continue to allow them where it is possible of course and removing the gankers own structures. That is what I meant by interdiction, perhaps strategic interdiction is a better way to say it? I’d just call it wardeccing. And I’d support concord controlling ACLs on empire stations, it doesn’t affect me at all. It does fit with the idea of sec status actually being relevant, and it would certainly provide counterplay options. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What? Why? Who are you (or me, for that matter) to decide what an alpha should or should not be able to do? And why would this be an issue in the context of suicide ganking, which is what we’re supposed to be talking about here? Purely an opinion, that a game which uses money to stay online should receive money from the people who play it. I’m a fan of paying for what I use like any other responsible person. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > How does allowing alphas to go red encourage them to _not_ pay for a subscription? What are you basing this assertion on? If anything, it might encourage them to go omega so they may run at least 2 accounts and do the whole thing properly, if they happen to like it after having tried it… You’re quoting half of what I said. I specifically evaluated the exact thing you’re criticizing in the other part you didn’t quote. An actual trial should be permitted to go red. Someone just using an alpha account because they don’t have to pay for it should be encouraged to pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/137 "2019-09-17T16:06:29Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Highsec interdiction from a citadel is damn near impossible. Not to mention the fact that a ganker holding corp can easily just anchor 30 structures (raits will do it) and you’ll have to have like 150 people to cover the exits. Oh and you can completely evacuate it with neutral characters and even if you fail that all the gank mats will magically teleport to the next NPC station for a laughable fee. Sound silly to suggest NPC station docking nerf under that conditions right? But that is obviously just another step. As an ag forum tears officer, Drac has to push step by step to not make it look like he wants to kill off ganking (which is nonetheless the final target as it hurts his deep rooted white knight feelings), which is why he is so pissed about the thread title. Hi Drac. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/138 "2019-09-17T16:11:01Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Oh and you can completely evacuate it with neutral characters and even if you fail that all the gank mats will magically teleport to the next NPC station for a laughable fee. Who cares? People are out in space shooting ■■■■. If that makes them feel better, more power to them. NPC stations are controlled by NPCs, which in the context of lore, are moderated by concord. It makes sense that concord, who will 100% attempt (pathetically) to engage someone of poor sec status, that they would bar access to an NPC station. Sec status, as it is, may as well not even exist. It’s irrelevant to anyone who knows how to hit “warp”. Worst case you just ping around in a system to avoid getting concordendeded. Adding NPC station ACLs tied to sec status would immediately make it more relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/139 "2019-09-17T16:16:36Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > NPC stations are controlled by NPCs, which in the context of lore, are moderated by concord. It makes sense that concord, who will 100% attempt (pathetically) to engage someone of poor sec status, that they would bar access to an NPC station Oh, a lore justification, nice. Actually the stations are owned by NPC corporations which are either independent or belong to a faction. They have absolutely nothing to do with CONCORD which is only there to intervene in capsuleer vs. capsuleer business. The corporations and factions have their own standing with each pilot, so wouldn’t it make sense to take that in account instead? A low security status means I killed other capsuleer and not their faction friends, so why should they even care if I have otherwise good standing with them? > [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Sec status, as it is, may as well not even exist. It’s irrelevant to anyone who knows how to hit “warp”. Worst case you just ping around in a system to avoid getting concordendeded. Adding NPC station ACLs tied to sec status would immediately make it more relevant. No, it would just mean I have to tether somewhere which is more convenient anyway. In the end this is just another push for a nerf to highsec ganking to make it step by step more inconvenient in the hope that it will one day suck so much no one will do it anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/140 "2019-09-17T16:42:13Z")
If economies of scale apply, then surely a safer highsec will just be the krabby pattidice that some voices have decried null for being. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/141 "2019-09-17T16:43:00Z")
And still not have rewards any where close. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/142 "2019-09-17T16:46:10Z")
Have you done any of the Trig content? Rewards are fairly decent and I am rather happy with CCP for producing good enjoyable and resource generating content in hisec. I much prefer this to VNI ratting in nullsec for example. As for safety the gankers have picked off some off some of the invasions runners a number of times as some of them are bling boats, which is fine. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/143 "2019-09-17T16:48:44Z")
So far only dabbled. While fun the rewards per hour are not great. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/144 "2019-09-17T16:52:00Z")
I am raking it in, in fact when I add it up I am actually making more ISK per hour than I did VNI ratting in nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/145 "2019-09-17T16:52:56Z")
How?.. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/146 "2019-09-17T16:53:47Z")
The operative word being scale ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/147 "2019-09-17T16:55:11Z")
The only way to scale this would be botting. So how does he get more her hour? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/148 "2019-09-17T16:57:20Z")
If you say so. I wouldnt know about that. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/149 "2019-09-17T16:59:20Z")
Botting comments, please don’t. I have ships I setup to do skirmishing in invasions and they scale well for Emerging conduits, because they have ramped up DPS, webs, remote repping and excellent tracking and can handle the last wave easily. I then have one of these ship with a salvager and then have ten salvage drones going. It is intense work but it works for me, so do you want me to contact you in game with fittings and stuff. NB Dual-boxing only, two accounts. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Marconi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_marconi/32/150029_2.png) [@Mark\_Marconi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Marconi)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631/150 "2019-09-17T17:00:14Z")
No but thanks for the advice. So your multiboxing it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-should-be-more-safe/190631.md?page=8)