# High Sec Struggles for the NewBro **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 24, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522 "2020-01-24T20:52:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/21 "2020-01-24T22:29:48Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Mind sharing your setup Nope…setting-up a hauler is EVE 101 and they need to learn how to do that themselves (or at least master Google)… ---
**Author:** ![Pyter\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyter_gaterau/32/181530_2.png) [@Pyter\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyter_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/22 "2020-01-24T22:30:46Z")
I can assure you I am not @Sabus_Narian, but for full disclosure he is my current CEO. I am going to have to disagree with the no risk statement. The risk exists. First few days in the newbro corp I was introduced to CODE. Concord did not save my ass then. Now is the risk level equatable with low or null, no. But consider this, for those who want to stay in carebear land, why should that be any less of a viable play style than any other? If the risk did not equal the reward, then up the risk. ---
**Author:** ![Tatanka\_Startamer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tatanka_startamer/32/172985_2.png) [@Tatanka\_Startamer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tatanka_Startamer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/23 "2020-01-24T22:31:33Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Problem is can’t do lv4 if not omega, and can’t plex without lv4 Right. That’s why I paid for one month, did my level 4s to make the ISK to PLEX (I had played some years ago, so was already able to do level 4s), and turned off the sub before it ticked the next month. Or, do level 3s, and whatever else floats your ship/boat and makes you ISK, and then once you get enough saved up, you can PLEX, and now you have access to level 4s and everything else Omega grants. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/24 "2020-01-24T22:32:35Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > As for corp most nullsec corps, tell off an FC if you don’t wanna go to a CTA and you get kicked, “just go to null” does not work. Which corp are you talking about? You obviously have first hand knowledge. > [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > He want’s to level up first and be ready until he goes to null The best people to help him do that is other null players. ---
**Author:** ![Bernie\_Nator](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bernie_nator/32/390552_2.png) [@Bernie\_Nator](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bernie_Nator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/25 "2020-01-24T22:32:51Z")
I’m gonna step in real quick and say that getting your alliance to spam the forums about emerging conduits and the “high sec lobby” is pretty low. You’re pretty disgusting @Sabus_Narian. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/26 "2020-01-24T22:33:40Z")
> Nope…setting-up a hauler is EVE 101 and they need to learn how to do that themselves (or at least master Google)… Very helpful person to new players you are. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/27 "2020-01-24T22:34:34Z")
Yes there is good/easy money to be made running missions for new players…I do it as I mostly live in LS and the LP is way better…it’s mindless but still very engaging. > [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](#): > > Ngl, I’m not entirely sure why the dude is so hell-bent on all this crying over the EC thing. Honestly, don’t get it. He’s virtue signaling Eve style. He makes threads “supporting” new players, uses those threads as recruitment tools to get new player to join his corp and then scams them…it’s all here: > [@How to get more people to play eve](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/1260): > > For some reason I’ve avoided this thread until now. I don’t know why, but most likely because the title of the thread to me, poses the wrong question/challenge. Here’s my TL;DR: TL;DR: It isn’t our role to get more people to play EVE. That’s CCP’s. But as a community, we can do a lot to help keep people once they find the game. Longer response: It’s CCP’s role to bring people to the game. It’s in their best interest to do so and they have marketing professionals to help with that. However o… ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/28 "2020-01-24T22:35:10Z")
> Right. That’s why I paid for one month, did my level 4s to make the ISK to PLEX (I had played some years ago, so was already able to do level 4s), and turned off the sub before it ticked the next month. > > Or, do level 3s, and whatever else floats your ship/boat and makes you ISK, and then once you get enough saved up, you can PLEX, and now you have access to level 4s and everything else Omega grants. That is a valid path, but I think we both know its an inferior one to EC. So the player has to put in more work for no reason, I think we can both presume that he is going to get frustrated. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/29 "2020-01-24T22:36:01Z")
Sorry but by level 4 they should be able to use the ship fitting tool for a hauler don’t you think? Holding hands to that degree just leads to stupid people that don’t know how to do even the basics. Teach them to fish, don’t hand them the fish. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/30 "2020-01-24T22:36:59Z")
> Which corp are you talking about? > > You obviously have first hand knowledge. Goons awhile back, say 1-2 years ago on an old toon, all the others still had the chain of command, strict limit on speech culture, and other restrictions. Also the OMG SPY paranoia that gets old very fast. > The best people to help him do that is other null players. Yes when he has the skills and power to know how to properly fly the ships, also his ambitions may change and he may want to live in highsec but pvp in null for example. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/31 "2020-01-24T22:37:15Z")
I’m gonna step in real quick and say that getting your alliance to spam the forums about emerging conduits and the “high sec lobby” is pretty low. You’re pretty disgusting @Sabus_Narian. Lol keep raging bittervet ---
**Author:** ![Tatanka\_Startamer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tatanka_startamer/32/172985_2.png) [@Tatanka\_Startamer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tatanka_Startamer)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/32 "2020-01-24T22:37:50Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > That is a valid path, but I think we both know its an inferior one to EC. So the player has to put in more work for no reason, I think we can both presume that he is going to get frustrated. I had no idea what ECs were when I returned a couple months ago, so never considered them. Was just getting ready to look into them. I may anyway. I don’t really care about the respawn delay, since I just play about an hour each day. I can just go from one to another, since I see many systems where there are 8-10 ECs up all at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/33 "2020-01-24T22:37:58Z")
> Sorry but by level 4 they should be able to use the ship fitting tool for a hauler don’t you think? Holding hands to that degree just leads to stupid people that don’t know how to do even the basics. Teach them to fish, don’t hand them the fish. Doubtful they’ll get there, they’ll say this game is trash gotta do all this work and quit, after all eve has a 4% newbie retention rate for the first month. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/34 "2020-01-24T22:40:50Z")
Then good…we don’t need stupid people that need others to make their ships for for level 4 missions. They wont be running level 4 in the first month anyways so…moot point. Cry more bitter newbro. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/35 "2020-01-24T22:41:35Z")
> Then good…we don’t need stupid people that need others to make their ships for for level 4 missions. Glad to see you want CCP to make less money by having less players. ---
**Author:** ![Pyter\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pyter_gaterau/32/181530_2.png) [@Pyter\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pyter_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/36 "2020-01-24T22:43:19Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > There are plenty of groups out there, in null, in low and in hi-sec that take on new bros, provide free ships and fitting advice. And whilst the new bros skill tree is training and their wallet growing they can take the time to join noob fleets, ask questions and learn how the game works. I had a hard time finding a high sec corp that would take me with less than 2 million SP when I started. The only low or null sec that would talk to me was an alt recruiting for CODE. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/37 "2020-01-24T22:43:36Z")
Having more stupid players that can’t even use the ship fitter is not a goal that CCP wants either. EVE is hard, deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/38 "2020-01-24T22:45:20Z")
> I had a hard time finding a high sec corp that would take me with less than 2 million SP when I started. The only low or null sec that would talk to me was an alt recruiting for CODE. Yup, and the corps who have no problem with newbies tend to get attacked by the established corps in any way possible, tough life for newer players sadly. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/39 "2020-01-24T22:46:25Z")
> [@Sabus\_Narian](#): > > Goons awhile back, say 1-2 years ago on an old toon, all the others still had the chain of command, strict limit on speech culture, and other restrictions. Also the OMG SPY paranoia that gets old very fast. Erm…Goons have karma fleet. It’s a dedicated nooby friendly group. @Pyter_Gaterau you should check it out. [https://karmafleet.org/](https://karmafleet.org/) Or there is brave newbies. > **[Brave Collective: What's your fun per hour?](https://www.bravecollective.com/)** > > The Brave Collective is EVE Online's original fun-per-hour newbie-focused alliance - join us today! Or in hi-sec you’ve got eve university. > **[EVE University](https://www.eveuniversity.org/)** > > EVE's premier teaching organization And in low you’ve now got RvB. > [@Red vs Blue: Join the Forever War Today!](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/red-vs-blue-join-the-forever-war-today/11658): > > [image] Red vs Blue is one of the longest standing institutions in EVE Online, being traced back to 2008. Rather than PvP for a specific goal, PvP is the goal. RvB is two Corporations in a constant state of war. When not fighting each other, we join forces to fight all comers! About Us We have a history and knowledge base to help any player grow through PvP. We also have the knowlege and support to make you ISK without feeling like a laborer in the mines, having to grind or multibox to make… All these folks will give you plenty of help whilst you train up. Don’t worry about ‘isk’. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522/40 "2020-01-24T22:46:36Z")
> Having more stupid players that can’t even use the ship fitter is not a goal that CCP wants either. EVE is hard, deal with it. “Ok boss, we only have 2k players across all timezones, but they are pro in every way in the game! We could’ve had 200k players but we don’t want such newbie scum in the game.” You should apply for a job at CCP I think they’ll love you with your beliefs and insights. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-struggles-for-the-newbro/213522.md?page=3)