# High skill point players are not progressing out of highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 1, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251 "2023-07-01T00:38:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/185 "2023-11-14T11:28:13Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > but HS player dont want to shoot other ppl thats the reason they are in HS ! Yeah…I really don’t understand people joining a PvP game and then balking at doing PvP. Neither do I understand the ‘only PvE’ people, who might just as well be playing Starfield or Homeworld or something that only involves NPC play and never having to interact with other people. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/186 "2023-11-14T11:33:36Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Yeah…I really don’t understand people joining a PvP game and then balking at doing PvP. same … > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Neither do I understand the ‘only PvE’ people, who might just as well be playing Starfield or Homeworld or something that only involves NPC play and never having to interact with other people. thats a thing i can understand way better … sometime you just want to have other things, nothing special and not having competetive gameplay i know, you can also have your chill moments in eve and mine something or huffing some gas or just ratting some anomalies, but at the end its a PvP game and we all agree to shot each other ! so we never need to have some excuses not to shot other ppl … or cryhards who complain about other ppl who shots them ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/187 "2023-11-14T12:56:23Z")
I mine and sell stuff, that’s PVP right? No balking involved. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/188 "2023-11-14T14:16:59Z")
High Sec is a haven for people who do not want to be a part of a (large) organised and active group telling them what to do. But you somehow envision a large high sec group doing exactly that. There isn’t enough money, content or tears in it for capable and well organised groups to care. Not on a continuous basis anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Phaelons\_Zimart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaelons_zimart/32/389524_2.png) [@Phaelons\_Zimart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaelons_Zimart)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/189 "2023-11-14T14:39:50Z")
no matter what happens ill stay in high sec as thats how i want to play you are never ever going to make null sec or wormholes something i want to be a part of. i enjoy my solo play but still speak with plenty of people every day in high sec socially…ive been to null and low sec and i dont want to work when i get home from work i want to play and enjoy ---
**Author:** ![Nabi\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nabi_kim/32/390748_2.png) [@Nabi\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nabi_Kim)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/190 "2023-11-14T15:42:21Z")
> [@Clavine\_South](#): > > So the question becomes, why arent these players moving away from doing basically starter level low ISK payout/low risk/low reward essentially starter introduction content, into lowsec, or null, or wormholes? Because HiSec isn’t the “starter” zone and Null/WH are not “end game” content. > [@Clavine\_South](#): > > This is what I would consider to be a failure on the part of the game to nudge these players No. > [@Clavine\_South](#): > > Because this is obviously a huge problem. Newer players are told “Well you just have to try harder, keep looking you’ll find the sites they are just more rare” when that really isn’t the problem at all. You arent really just competing with other newer players. Why don’t **you** start branching out into WH, low, null, to find sites? Why do you expect everyone else to change for you? > [@Clavine\_South](#): > > Because I am a hyper intelligent Yet you’re doing HiSec data sites… ---
**Author:** ![Conrad\_Makbure](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/conrad_makbure/32/398634_2.png) [@Conrad\_Makbure](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Conrad_Makbure)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/191 "2023-11-14T17:18:14Z")
The 2 big answers to me that probably cover most of why “high skill players are not progressing out of highsec” are people don’t want to respond to the “…GET IN FLEET NOW…” calls and real life schedules don’t work line up with the game. The game has to bend to our real life schedules not the other way around. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/192 "2023-11-14T17:56:46Z")
The simple answer is that because the PvP takes money in this game. That’s what makes people balk at it. You either need to have a good monthly income, pumping RL money into the game or join some big corp/alliance that is going to have expectations on your time. Sure that income can be provided by the PvP but getting to that point is pretty daunting, even if all you’re using is frigs. So a lot of people spend their entire Eve life preparing for PvP but never feel comfortable doing it. I know quite a few people like that. There’s people that throw themselves into it on day 1, but I think that they’re pretty few are far between, and usually require being guided by a more experienced player. Which is a pity, because you can have fun even if you’re crap at PvP, like myself. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/193 "2023-11-14T18:01:16Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > You either need to have a good monthly income, pumping RL money into the game You can have 1.2bn ISK for £10 or so. So its not like people need to rob a bank to play Eve. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/194 "2023-11-14T18:01:56Z")
and still some ppl cant affort it to spend RL money to get some isk ! ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/195 "2023-11-14T18:11:47Z")
Who would teach the new players the game if everyone left HS? ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/196 "2023-11-14T18:13:47Z")
HS play dont teach others the game ( not all of them but most ) ! why ? because most of them didnt even know half of all the mechanics out there … if you want to learn then go into low sec or wh space … and look for a PvP corp because you will lern most mechanics from PvP ! ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/197 "2023-11-14T18:34:27Z")
Maybe people are sick of the nullsec meta, whatever that is, and the 10 people who dictate nullsec? maybe?? yeah??? ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/198 "2023-11-14T18:36:18Z")
There are many risk adverse people in this game. I spend my time these days helping others as I have done most of the eve content. I also have very little time to play, so I get my pleasure from helping others instead of being blobbed to death and being called to action the whole time. How do you even know how many SP a person has ? 2005 player can go AFK for 10 yrs and only have 5 mil sp, a 1 day old can inject to the max… I feel like you have been some how offended by someone in HS who you assume has high SP… Maybe stay out of Jita and you won’t get so jaded… ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/199 "2023-11-14T18:38:14Z")
That’s £10 on top of what they’re already monthly paying. What if you want to do something other than frigates? Oh, just put another tenner into the game? Maybe a score? The actual amount of money it requires is not what makes people balk, it’s the fact that it’d be needed. That’s just not something that is present in many MMOs now, it doesn’t sit right. Hell, I’ve been playing them since the mid 90’s, back when every MMO was PvP everywhere basically, and even I feel dirty if I throw a bit of extra money on the game. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but you said you can’t comprehend why people balk at PvP. That is one of the big reasons. The ships people are flying represent either their time and effort, or their actual cash. It’s a mental block. If they’re not in the mind set of, “I’m earning this money to go and get something blown up in strange and interesting ways later”, then they continue to balk at it. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/200 "2023-11-14T18:42:36Z")
> [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > There are many risk adverse people in this game. i would assume the most of them living in HS only ! > [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > 2005 player can go AFK for 10 yrs and only have 5 mil sp i dont know and i never said this ! nobody knows if they sell their SP if they reach the SP they need to mine their veldspar. but its also possible they are skilled with maximum rate of SP since 2003 and still only need the mining skills for veldspar and never came out of their retriever. nobody knows ! they also could get subbed since 2003 and and skill all day long but dont play and are afk … > [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > I feel like you have been some how offended by someone in HS who you assume has high SP i never assume how many skillpoints out there. and i dont get offended by a HS player because at the end they didnt know anything to offend me. ( most of them not all ) > [@Earnest\_Emu](#): > > Maybe stay out of Jita and you won’t get so jaded… ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/201 "2023-11-14T18:51:50Z")
> [@WhamyKablamy](#): > > I’ve been playing them since the mid 90’s, back when every MMO was PvP everywhere basically, and even I feel dirty if I throw a bit of extra money on the game. Nearly as long as me. 🙂 I remember getting my first Commodore Amiga in the mid/late 80’s ( way before most posters on here were a twinkle in their dads eye) and playing Dungeon Master on floppy disks, along with Prince of Persia when they came out, and that was it, I was hooked. I can’t remember how many games I’ve played in my life (some others I still play) nearly all Role Playing, MMORPG etc of one kind or another, Now when I play I just want to chill and relax, and it gets frustrating that so many players can’t understand that, hey maybe it’s an age thing, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/202 "2023-11-14T19:11:46Z")
Then they shouldn’t be wasting valuable time playing a game, but instead putting what skills they may have to good use, further society and get paid for doing so. Entertainment shouldn’t be a priority, but a reward. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/203 "2023-11-14T19:18:29Z")
why ? maybe they enyoj the game as much as you do ? nobody knows ! and they still can farm isk very easy ingame. yes if you compare the ISK/h with $/h or €/h or any else currency then is farming ingame way less worth. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Entertainment shouldn’t be a priority, but a reward. who said anything else ? maybe ppl dont see it as entertainment ? instead they think its work ? you can spend RL money for the sub and your ingame wealth or you can spend time if you enyoj it and can have this game without even spend some RL money ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/204 "2023-11-14T19:23:57Z")
> [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > why ? maybe they enyoj the game as much as you do ? nobody knows ! and they still can farm isk very easy ingame. yes if you compare the ISK/h with $/h or €/h or any else currency then is farming ingame way less worth. What? I have no idea what prompted you to respond with that. But uh, okay? Cool, I guess? > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > you can spend RL money for the sub and your ingame wealth or you can spend time if you enyoj it and can have this game without even spend some RL money People can spend their RL money in whatever legal ways they want. I didn’t say otherwise. All I said, is that entertainment shouldn’t be high on the priority list, especially if a person has no income to dispose on it. But hey, got an extra 20 bucks and you want to spend it on Plex. Go for it. Or maybe tickets to a cheap concert. Knock yourself out. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251.md?page=11)