# High skill point players are not progressing out of highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 1, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251 "2023-07-01T00:38:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/225 "2023-11-15T01:27:23Z")
That’s neat. The Springs is a really cool place. Can’t say the same for Aurora however. But I did work out of RC2 (Anshutz medical complex) for a while there, after Fitzsimmons was decommissioned and they moved CU medical there. Definitely a lot of change there over the last 10 years. How was the VA there? I heard that it was much improved from the old building. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/226 "2023-11-15T01:29:09Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Manitou Springs Great place to get high! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/227 "2023-11-15T01:32:40Z")
Oh, a bit late, only because I just found out you served. Happy Veteran’s day. And truly, I mean this. Thank you for your service, and the sacrifice you (and family) made, so that I can enjoy the many freedoms that you defend. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/228 "2023-11-15T01:35:41Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > How was the VA there? I was still active duty so I never dealt with them until years later. The VA has come a long way. We only went to Aurora because they thought my son was premature (he wasn’t). They had a level 2 NICU so they flew us up there in a chopper. It was interesting and a bit scary for first time parents. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/229 "2023-11-15T01:40:07Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > They had a level 2 NICU so they flew us up there in a chopper. It was interesting and a bit scary for first time parents. That is terrifying. I can’t image what you two were going through. I’m glad that he received good care. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/230 "2023-11-15T01:43:15Z")
He was perfectly fine. They misjudged her due date, which is common with first time mothers. It was cold and snowing but everything went well. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/231 "2023-11-15T02:03:43Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > You have a very limited perspective. The truth does tend to be a bit limited…that is why it is the truth as opposed to the long winded baloney you spout. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/232 "2023-11-15T02:17:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > long winded baloney 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/a/c/2acdbbc4c1867388bf61c53f15cb9dd1c6c83fcd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/233 "2023-11-15T14:00:15Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Then I wonder why they are even playing Eve…a game where stuff getting blown up is the mainstay of the entire economy. I am one of those people. It’s good that you take a humble approach and admit you wonder why. I can explain it for my part. I’ve lived in J-space, null, low, and now live in high sec. I work a job where I can get called upon anytime during the day or night, and I have to log off and handle work. I cannot be taking the time to shut down comms, finding a safe spot, and safe-logging my ship. And, I don’t really like safe-logging an expensive ship I will get no SRP for in foreign space because I am viewed as having quit the fleet and abandoning my post. I can’t commit to anything. I have to be able to leave any time. I am a father of two kids, and if the Mrs. says “Honey, take out the trash,” while she is cooking me dinner, I am leaving the fleet, safe logging, and I take out the trash. I value her more than my game time. If I am in the fleet and guests knock on the door - sales people, religious nuts, the amazon guy, the termite guy, the yard guy, some contractor we hired - I answer the door. Not her. It’s how we work. I am dropping fleet. The bottom line is not PVP or carebearing for me. I prefer PVP. The bottom line is that you people who play this game are the least important thing in my life. I will log off to walk the dog. My life has many demands. Eve is there for me when I feel like seeing space ships fly around. Back when I had time for CTA’s and PAP’s, it was fun. That’s not going to be part of my life now. So when I play Eve, I enjoy building new ships, flying them around and shooting rats with them. I enjoy getting in my Helios and stealing your relic and data sites. I enjoy collecting ship skins. But as a lone player, I cannot PVP against a group, and I cannot commit to a group, so that isn’t going to happen. That’s how it is. That’s why I play Eve. It has the best enemy AI of any single-player game: you. I enjoy the danger of ganks. I love slipping through gate camps. I love it when you decloak on a can I am working and I either get caught or get away. That’s why I play. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/234 "2023-11-15T14:34:00Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > That’s why I play. Sure, but my comment was aimed more at those with the attitude of " I was out mining the very ore that makes Catalysts…when some nasty Catalyst pilot ganked me. Why can’t they let me mine in peace ? " type of player. There are players who simply don’t grasp that the entire economic and production cycle of Eve has one end goal…destruction of ships. The Eve economy _depends_ on destruction. To partake in that cycle at all is to be a cog in a giant pew pew machine…so why should anyone be in the least bit surprised when the target of that pew pew becomes them ? Yet many simply don’t get that, and treat Eve as though it was a mining and hauling simulator where totally unrelated and annoying gankers or others spoil their ‘peace and quiet’. Its a level of doublethink on par with arms dealers complaining that there are wars. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/235 "2023-11-15T17:18:51Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > as though it was a mining and hauling simulator LMFAO ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/236 "2023-11-16T02:19:56Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > That’s why I play. That’s the good thing about eve you can play it however you like , I know a guy that plays as a salvager , looking for lost loot and drones, his time is limited like yours but found his place. Well done I like your story ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/237 "2023-11-16T02:24:15Z")
There’s plenty of stuff to destroy in low, null and wormhole space; it’s just not as easy or as rewarding as ganging up on oblivious players in high-sec. And there’s certainly less salt… ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/238 "2023-11-16T02:34:11Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The Eve economy _depends_ on destruction. You have a child’s view of the World. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/240 "2023-11-16T19:51:53Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The biggest weakness of HS is that, in terms of its dwellers, it’s mostly unorganized and inexperienced in handling conflict. I would also add that in some ways, distance is more of a problem in HS than other zones. Players in most other zones are experienced enough and face challenges that give them a leg up when it’s time to change regions quickly. Whether it’s using Pochven filaments for a quick in/out, WH shortcuts or just jump clones, they’re more likely to be able to get where they need for an action (or are already stationed there). In HS, I notice that people tend to spread out a lot more, and don’t necessarily leave “strategic” jump clones or alts positioned for various actions. I’ve seen more than a few cases where someone tried to put some interesting action together, only to find that half the people interested were 40+ jumps away. Some travel shortcuts for getting to hotspots in HS would cause their own issues, but might make things a little more lively. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/241 "2023-11-16T19:57:11Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > High Sec is a haven for people who do not want to be a part of a (large) organised and active group telling them what to do. But you somehow envision a large high sec group doing exactly that. There isn’t enough money, content or tears in it for capable and well organised groups to care. Not on a continuous basis anyway. You’re right, it’s impossible. - Red vs. Blue - Incursions - Merc corps - CODE. and its’ spawn - Cartels and industrial groups - Freight companies - etc. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/242 "2023-11-16T20:38:30Z")
> [@Clavine\_South](#): > > but have continually encountered many, many different very old long term players with very high amounts of skill points, piloting ships worth hundreds of millions of ISK… **at the level 1** highsec Data/Relic/Combat cosmic signature sights. Can’t think why, its basically worthless in terms of ISK, i’ll farm the event sites but those were tier 3 iirc and i normally do that in null because its easy to just filament to a random null sec region lol ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 9:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/243 "2023-11-17T09:31:13Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > > > The Eve economy _depends_ on destruction. > > You have a child’s view of the World. Cool down, trader 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/244 "2023-11-17T11:19:38Z")
I’m as cool as the other side of the pillow… ---
**Author:** ![Devon\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/devon_stone/32/385010_2.png) [@Devon\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Devon_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/245 "2023-11-17T16:23:36Z")
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