# High skill point players are not progressing out of highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [July 1, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251 "2023-07-01T00:38:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/82 "2023-07-08T04:54:27Z")
> [@Aisha\_Katalen](#): > > But please keep saying what you’re saying, it makes my life so much easier Dear Aisha, It very much looks like you zoomed in on a detail, interpreted it in your own little part of space, and forgot the context in which the OP wrote. It is unfortunate for any discussion in any forum topic to steer away from the subject. This isn’t a thread about the most efficient way of running anoms and plexes, but a more interesting - and cheeky - one about space nerds with tons of sp, isk, equipment and game time who never seem to leave the skirts of mama Aura and hisec “safety”, and seemingly don’t make the transition to riskier parts of space where they could continue to perfect their techniques. That is the subject. Glad to be of help. Wade o7 ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/83 "2023-07-08T09:56:16Z")
That doesn’t mean that if someone talks nonsense, like you were, he can’t be called out on it. In fact you’re the one who brought up this “zoomed in detail”. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/84 "2023-07-08T14:06:34Z")
[![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/5/2/e526ed2a4024b306f392946cf5bd7eb043df2566.jpeg "You can't fight in here. This is the War Room! - Dr Strangelove") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFkazjodpeQ) ---
**Author:** ![Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wolfgang_jannesen/32/496726_2.png) [@Wolfgang\_Jannesen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wolfgang_Jannesen)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/85 "2023-07-08T14:58:45Z")
Lot of folks here glossing over the fact that nullsec can be relentlessly boring. Lot of folks here with a real “how dare you play the game how you like to play the game” mindset. Lot of folks here maybe missing the forest for the trees if you catch my cold. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/86 "2023-07-08T16:09:19Z")
Again… Some people argue that HS is its own end game with unique challenges and risks. Nothing wrong with staying in HS. People really going everywhere on this thread and what OP said… ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/87 "2023-07-08T16:17:27Z")
I have 280 Million SP. So far none of it in any dread/cap related skill. Completely and perfectly skilled for subcap fighting. And even then I don’t have all ships to level 5. What is your take on a vet? What is considered a vet. Does not matter ifyou are in null/low/high or wh each have their community of vets and new players. The region of EVE is not earmarked for a specific subset of players. Even though everybody starts in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/88 "2023-07-08T16:37:52Z")
Don’t think further arguing makes sense, OP probably long moved on to other games… ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/89 "2023-07-10T12:57:44Z")
LOL at “progressing”. –Gadget LOL’s ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/90 "2023-07-13T10:59:40Z")
The real issue is that lowsec, nullsec, and wormholes are not sufficiently attractive to those players. Possibly for a whole number of reasons. I could speculate: - Low/Null/WH require more of a time investment, and that’s before you get to corp or alliance activity requirements. - The benefits aren’t particularly attractive, not everyone feels the need to increase their isk/hour and not everyone really cares about risk/reward balance. - Some players don’t want to engage with PvP and will stay in high sec to reduce their exposure Folks can harp on about what they want Eve to be and how they think other players should play but at the end of the day tens of thousands of players are happy running endless level 4s or low end sites and after two decades have proven they won’t be shamed out of their happy place. ---
**Author:** ![Tark\_Thahal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tark_thahal/32/376286_2.png) [@Tark\_Thahal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tark_Thahal)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/91 "2023-07-13T12:30:05Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > tens of thousands of players There ain’t that many players in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/92 "2023-07-13T12:56:04Z")
I liked this analogy…next, we will watch the same 6 people who jump on every thread, tell you why you’re wrong for your subjective opinion. (not that I agree with them or anything) In fact, a lot about the answer to your question can be found in the life cycle of the given forum thread here. IMHO true innovation in this universe has evaporated many weird nerfs ago. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/93 "2023-07-13T14:07:52Z")
> [@Tark\_Thahal](#): > > There ain’t that many players in EVE People who can’t differentiate between the number of people online and the total amount of players aren’t very intelligent. If only because it’s one server and thus is active 24/7 and beyond that because not everyone plays all the time. You can’t be this dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/94 "2023-07-13T14:22:34Z")
> [@Rekindle](#): > > IMHO true innovation in this universe has evaporated many weird nerfs ago. Please define “true innovation.” Because we are limited by mechanical constructs built by CCP. (aka I can’t create a new item/module that supercharges my capacitor on my kronos) I can’t slap solar panels on my citadel, so I pay 0 ISK in fuel costs. > [@Rekindle](#): > > I liked this analogy…next, we will watch the same 6 people who jump on every thread, tell you why you’re wrong for your subjective opinion. No? I reply and ask probing questions to get the other side of the debate. We lose all hope when people can’t debate/refute points and have open discussion. It is wrong to stereotype people into silence. > [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > The benefits aren’t particularly attractive, not everyone feels the need to increase their isk/hour and not everyone really cares about risk/reward balance. - I do incursions to repel Sansha from kidnapping humans for their experiments. - I also do incursions for the very high ISK pay CONCORD gives me. - If CONCORD lowered the ISK pay for incursions, I would stop running them. - **Would I be a bad person? I got bills to pay and people to feed.** This can be said for RL jobs also. **Fool’s errand to only think people do things for fun/hr. In real life or in pixel spaceships.** ---
**Author:** ![Oosel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oosel/32/389219_2.png) [@Oosel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oosel)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/95 "2023-07-13T14:30:20Z")
being the idiot that i am i foolishly purchased goods in Misaba and took my viator fully fitted to evade all forms of combat what so ever…i also used a scout to ensure i wasnt going to run into any camps i then spent every day for 4 weeks trying to exit said station at varying times and using an insta bookmark needless to say in the end i still lost my goods and ships to people who spend day in day out camping that station and are far better at pvp than i will ever be and that was the end of me going to low sec ever again i play to have fun and low sec isnt fun just like null sec is like having a second job which to me its just like so i stick to HS which with my limited playtime keeps me playing whilst still enjoying it and yes i do data and relic sites because i enjoy it if theres none about i do something else instead ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/96 "2023-07-13T14:33:06Z")
> [@Oosel](#): > > i play to have fun and low sec isnt fun just like null sec You need ISK to do anything in this game. As in Real Life. If you have no ISK you will be in a starter corvette your entire EVE existence. **You can’t even afford a shuttle with 0 ISK.** Like in RL you need money to do stuff. Without money you will be homeless and hungry. That is the point I was making. **To say you only play for fun is lying to yourself. People play for fun AND ISK.** ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/97 "2023-07-13T14:34:42Z")
> [@Oosel](#): > > Misaba That’s your problem, you picked the _one_ place where that’s a _well known_ bad idea. There’s a reason people simply sell their stuff in that station to the pirates at a loss and never come back, and then in a heartbeat the pirates in turn list them for sale at very low prices for the next mark… What’s next, you’re going to quit Hi Sec because you can’t autopilot a freighter full of billions of loot through Uedama? ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/98 "2023-07-13T14:43:05Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > _well known_ bad idea. Well known to whom? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > What’s next, you’re going to quit Hi Sec because you can’t autopilot a freighter full of billions of loot through Uedama? Wow. If only my ships could get the sort of speed you jump to conclusions with… –Gadget goes to Warp 12345432 ---
**Author:** ![Oosel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oosel/32/389219_2.png) [@Oosel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oosel)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/99 "2023-07-13T14:52:37Z")
i fly through uedama at least 5 times a week and have never had an issue as i said i purchased misaba items by mistake and did try to do what people say give it a shot and try i really did but thats my point in the end it wasnt fun at all hence i wont be doing it again…i dont play the game for isk and havent for a long time i dont really need it after playing for years ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/100 "2023-07-13T14:55:11Z")
> [@Oosel](#): > > i dont play the game for isk and havent for a long time i dont really need it after playing for years How can you afford the ships you fly? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251/101 "2023-07-13T15:00:01Z")
> [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](#): > > If only my ships could get the sort of speed you jump to conclusions with… Why you ask that of me, and not the guy who disavows entire swaths of the game because of 1 experience in 1 system? 🤔 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-skill-point-players-are-not-progressing-out-of-highsec/411251.md?page=6)