# Highsec carrier gameplay **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 28, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171 "2023-12-28T00:48:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/21 "2023-12-28T09:23:06Z")
get an Orca ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/22 "2023-12-28T12:30:25Z")
Just a somewhat related screenshot thought I share: > **[Steam Community :: Screenshot :: Force Auxiliary @ Jita trade hub](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1103869755)** > > Steam Community: EVE Online. Force Auxiliary @ Jita trade hub ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/23 "2023-12-28T16:43:09Z")
> [@Baga\_PI01](#): > > The way you talk is more akin towards trolling and trying to pick a fight. Troll all you want if that is your way. Ignore Vuh, he’s basically a troll and is resistant to all ship additions. > [@Baga\_PI01](#): > > escort carrier The escort carrier has been a relatively popular / common suggestion over the years, and one I have relatively positive feelings toward. I expect it would be a t2 version of the faction’s battleship drone boat (Scorpion, Domi, 'Geddeon, Typhoon, or alternatively new faction hulls that would make it look like a miniature carrier,) and have 1 flight of 5 fighters. I’m not sure what that would be dps wise. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > What is the benefit of adding said ship? Variety. There’s a reason why we have 4 empire faction lines and not just one. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Benefit of fighters in h.s ? Training. There is a bit of a demerit to learning how to make use of fighters in lowsec when supers can instagib you. (I would link you an instance of that happening, but the video seems to have been removed.) Also, as the op said, fighter gameplay is different than using drones. I also personally have a hope carriers can eventually be used as a bridge point between Vanguard and EVE. Carriers (and Escort Carriers for highsec) would act as a spawn point for Vanguard (Valkyrie) pilots in this context. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/24 "2023-12-28T18:32:20Z")
> [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Ignore Vuh, he’s basically a troll and is resistant to all ship additions. you know why ? because all ideas are ■■■■ ! come up with a good one i would like to see such stuff ! but normaly we dont need new stuff because CCP cant even balance their “old” ships correct and you want more new stuff and again more new stuff … and new means you want more powerful stuff then the already existing ships ! and more powerful seems like always a shitty option … btw … youre the only troll in here 😉 otherwise you wouldnt call other ppl trolls only because they are known that all the personal ideas are only for lazy and selfish ppl … > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > The escort carrier has been a relatively popular / common suggestion over the years, and one I have relatively positive feelings toward. only because 3 ppl say they were cool does not mean its popular xD > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > I expect it would be a t2 version of the faction’s battleship drone boat (Scorpion, Domi, 'Geddeon, Typhoon, or alternatively new faction hulls that would make it look like a miniature carrier,) and have 1 flight of 5 fighters. I’m not sure what that would be dps wise. you still have the problem that you need ships they are way bigger ! why ? because 1 fighter has 1000 m³ … and no ship has such space to fit such fighters ! and now you have bigger ships and still want to call it battleships ? > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Variety. There’s a reason why we have 4 empire faction lines and not just one. then tell all the improvements … why you all hiding all the improvements if they are exist ? why you are not able to setup a text with all the informations we need to see this idea would be great ? instead you only write … the benefits have some variety´s … oO maybe you start with the base concept of this ship and only at the end if the base is complete you add the faction specifications ? > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Training. you can train fighters in carriers if you know how to fly … if everbody else would use the HS to train then we would have more “experts” in this game and not such cryhards they create everytime they lose a ship in space another thread and want a nerf for their oponents … > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > There is a bit of a demerit to learning how to make use of fighters in lowsec when supers can instagib you. fighters are not that hard … you dont have to lern 127 years before you have “fighter mastery” on personal skill level 1 … unock your carrier in your ally´s home system and youre safe that no titan or super will instablap you ! then take your 5 min to see how fighters work and be happy youve lerned it ! > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > (I would link you an instance of that happening, but the video seems to have been removed.) it does not happen if youre not a complet stupid shitlord xD > [@Rail\_J\_kar](#): > > Also, as the op said, fighter gameplay is different than using drones. yes … and now where is the improvement to implement fighters in HS ? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/25 "2023-12-28T18:35:44Z")
^ No, you’re a tad harsh/abrupt in your replies. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/26 "2023-12-28T18:45:03Z")
thats sometimes correct ! doesnt change the fact i´m correct ! ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/27 "2023-12-28T18:45:53Z")
Half the battle is **presentation.** ---
**Author:** ![Sacu\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sacu_shi/32/454800_2.png) [@Sacu\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sacu_Shi)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/28 "2023-12-28T18:47:55Z")
Sounds like a Domi… ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/29 "2023-12-28T18:48:10Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Half the battle is **presentation** doest care if you can easy deny such lazy try to add a new ship ! if there were a real idea how the base ship were build then we could have speak about this and not about all the their “feelings” about a new ship ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/30 "2023-12-28T18:52:54Z")
We could easily have another T2 class of “escort carriers” that utilize existing battleship hulls. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/31 "2023-12-28T18:57:15Z")
maybe you are able to tell the improvements ? the OP isnt … and some other dudes who like to see such stuff are also not able … create a base concept of a ship and we can discuss if its benefitial for the game or not ! everything else is just childish " but i want more overpowered stuff _stomps with his feet_ " ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/32 "2023-12-28T19:37:30Z")
Having an escort carrier as a capital is a non-starter (due to high-sec restrictions, etc.), but I think a fighter-based sub-capital is an interesting idea. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/33 "2023-12-28T19:41:11Z")
then just change the drone mechanics … i will say … all drone bonused battleships could be changed into a fighter based ship ! not that you will use carrier fighters but maybe ccp could implement another set of drones ? about the same DPS like a set of heavy drones ! just that you could use the fighter mechanics with drones ! but still i dont need the improvement why CCP should take recources to develope such stuff … ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/34 "2023-12-28T19:49:23Z")
Triglavian and Edencom ships are fairly role-specific, so I’m sure they could swing 4 escort carriers… ---
**Author:** ![Rail\_J\_kar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rail_j_kar/32/374429_2.png) [@Rail\_J\_kar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rail_J_kar)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/35 "2023-12-28T19:51:28Z")
> [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > Having an escort carrier as a capital is a non-starter (due to high-sec restrictions, etc.), but I think a fighter-based sub-capital is an interesting idea. There’s also the fact that it would be pointless. Carriers are already the lowest level of capital, making the Escort Carrier also be a capital doesn’t make any sense, and merely redundant. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/36 "2023-12-28T19:53:31Z")
none of them are drone based factions ! they are based on 1. a sngle target spool weapon with a ■■■■ ton of role boni 2. a chain lightning with extrem low single dps ( need to bee otherwise it got abused ) non of them have any ships with drone bonus ! and it were realy silly if they now start to use exactly this … drone based ships oO ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/37 "2023-12-28T19:54:53Z")
I didn’t say drones - I said **fighters**. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/38 "2023-12-28T19:56:21Z")
fighters and drones are the same base … and why do a carrier need drone upgrade modules and dont have the specific set of fighter upgrade modules ? because they are simply the same … ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/39 "2023-12-28T19:56:43Z")
Same but different. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171/40 "2023-12-28T20:01:02Z")
do you know whats very strange ? you want this so much but dont bring up a base of a ship like the OP ! you just throw anything into the room and then think your opinion is good enough to convert other ppl ?! why didnt you create a ship hull ( only the base without any influence of a faction ) then we can see the specifications like HP, resi profile, slot layout, mass, inertia , sensor strengh and so on … if you create such a base and can argue that we need this then we can talk … but actual its nothing less then : > [@Vuhdo\_Rin](#): > > " but i want more overpowered stuff _stomps with his feet_ " [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-carrier-gameplay/434171.md?page=3)