# Highsec Ganking Dead - Are you happy now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 27, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623 "2022-12-27T19:54:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/183 "2023-01-01T09:42:01Z")
You didn’t even get the message, but act like a bulldog on amphetamine. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/184 "2023-01-01T09:49:34Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > but act like a bulldog on amphetamine. If you have experience to know how a bulldog on amphetamine acts then I pity you. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/185 "2023-01-01T09:59:36Z")
I am working at a vet, it’s a nice job, nothing to pity about. One just sees people doing horrible things to animals and of course gets some knowledge how different drugs work on dogs. 🤷 Would you like to discuss more personal matters or rather the question why all these pro-gankers calling other people “crybabies” complain at the boards like crybabies so much instead of blowing up all the nice targets all around? It’s not like the recent changes have made that much more complicated. I was in Teonosude yesterday, offering some boost and RR to a random mining fleet and we had nice content. I was invited to convos, people first thought I wanted to trick them, but in the end we had nice chats and I got a nice tip for my help. And no single ganker showed up despite multiple Orcas and a dozen Exhumers in the belt. Instead they are complaining how “ganking is dead”. Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/186 "2023-01-01T10:03:37Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > the question why all these pro-gankers calling other people “crybabies” complain at the boards like crybabies so much instead of blowing up all the nice targets all around Who would that be? I see these claims often, yet it isn’t something I personally see often. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/187 "2023-01-01T11:10:44Z")
Yeah you’ve said that before. I don’t think CCP are making decisions based on numbers of ventures killed though so I don’t know why you continue to think that’s a winning argument. You are correct though that ganking is a very tiny portion of all destruction in EVE, so if it were removed (which I do not believe it should not be) the impact would be negligible. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Most ventures that die are cynos for moving goods around. So lots of those losses in lowsec and nullsec are just disposable alt ships. Do you know what the figures would be with cyno alts excluded? > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Just beating people with a ban stick for having an opinion He’s not saying for having an opinion, he’s saying that people who tell people to stop playing EVE should be banned. Gankers tend to tell anyone who disagrees with them to leave and it does get tiresome to say the least. > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Can’t just focus on their own game and play as best they can. They just have to try to get rid of parts of the community they don’t like. This is what he’s talking about. Gankers trying to make people they don’t like leave the game. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/188 "2023-01-01T11:22:03Z")
@Scipio_Artelius Just see the ganking related topics. Full of mimimi. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > he’s saying that people who tell people to stop playing EVE should be banned. I don’t even say that it _ **should** _ be (I don’t think CCP _ **should** _ enforce such a policy). I just say it _ **would** _ be the greatest nerf to ganking, because gankers seem to spend more time at the boards telling other people how EVE must be played and that they shall leave if they don’t like it than actually flying around ganking stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/189 "2023-01-01T11:53:52Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > he’s saying that people who tell people to stop playing EVE should be banned Yes, I know what he said. People can have an opinion that the game isn’t for everyone and can share that opinion with those they think fit that position. He wants them banned for doing so. Same as what I wrote above. > [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Do you know what the figures would be with cyno alts excluded? No. I haven’t quantified it, just looked at it qualitatively. It could be done to a reasonably close value, but that isn’t something I have an interest in. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/190 "2023-01-01T11:57:08Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > He wants them banned for doing so. lol, no. Never said so, you just make this one up to have a little straw which you can accuse me with of having some kind of “bad agenda”. Maybe google the meaning of “would” vs “should”. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/191 "2023-01-01T12:00:09Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > lol, no. Never said so, you just make this one > [@Syzygium](#): > > The greatest nerf to ganking would be a forum rule that CCP permabans anyone telling any other player that “EVE is not for him” or “he should play another game” If someone tells someone that EVE is not for them, how is that not sharing their opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/192 "2023-01-01T12:01:39Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > If someone tells someone that EVE is not for them, how is that not sharing their opinion? Did I say this is not an opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/193 "2023-01-01T12:16:10Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Did I say this is not an opinion? Do you struggle with key words or something? You want them banned for sharing that opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/194 "2023-01-01T12:19:06Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Do you struggle with key words or something? > > You want them banned for sharing that opinion. Do you struggle with reading? I don’t want anyone get banned for anything. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/195 "2023-01-01T12:20:09Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You are correct though that ganking is a very tiny portion of all destruction in EVE, so if it were removed (which I do not believe it should not be) the impact would be negligible. Not, that’s not a logical way of looking at it. The numbers may be small, but the overall impact is large. As is the case with many things even in the real world. The risk of ganking modifies behaviour in all manner of ways. It forces sensible people to fit tank and to not auto pilot or watch Netflix while mining. It is the reason I don’t leave Jita with 1bn worth of implants but instead do smaller loads. It is also why I fit inertial slabilisers, and so on. This sort of behaviour and fittings extends way beyond just those who are ganked. It extends to just about everyone in highsec. It would be a _very_ different highsec if there was no ganking. So to argue that the impact of the removal of ganking would be negligible is patent nonsense…and little more than a lie that anti gank people promulgate like propaganda in the hope that people will believe the lie if it is repeated often enough. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/197 "2023-01-01T12:40:31Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > OK sure. > > You are a complete idiot. Another waste of space carebear that can’t even stand by the statements they make and own them, and instead weazel out of them technically. 🤣 I can smell your desperation. Not able to read, not able to understand, not able to quote or make a point. Maybe forums are not for you. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/198 "2023-01-01T12:43:48Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The numbers may be small, but the overall impact is large. So then you’ll have no problem proving the impact. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The risk of ganking modifies behaviour in all manner of ways. It forces sensible people to fit tank and to not auto pilot or watch Netflix while mining. It is the reason I don’t leave Jita with 1bn worth of implants but instead do smaller loads. Does it? Have you got any proof of this beyond your own personal choices? You’re not exactly an experienced pilot so I’m sure you make a lot of weird choices but most of them won’t actually be needed. By the way, I like how you think someone not watching Netflix while mining counts as a large impact on the game. That one made me actually laugh out loud. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > It would be a _very_ different highsec if there was no ganking. According to your claims above it would be the exact same highsec except a few people might fit less tank. I don’t see how that is a large impact. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > So to argue that the impact of the removal of ganking would be negligible is patent nonsense… Here we go again. “I don’t agree therefore you’re talking nonsense!”. I can play that game too. You’re talking nonsense. You’re making up a massive impact where none exists so you can create a false narrative that inflates the importance of ganking to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/199 "2023-01-01T12:56:34Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > So then you’ll have no problem proving the impact. Oh, here we go…everyone else has to ‘prove’ stuff but you never do. Gotta love the way you maneuver yourself into that position…despite the fact that it is _your claims_ that are being refuted, lol. How about YOU prove your original assertion that if ganking were removed ‘the impact would be negligible’. And, of course, you’ll use your usual get out of ’ I was just stating my opinion’. Never mind that your ‘opinion’ is most of the time actually stated as if fact. This whole charade is why I ( and others ) consider your entire ‘debating’ technique to be so dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/200 "2023-01-01T13:14:48Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > You’re not exactly an experienced pilot Lol…gotta love the way you desperately padding out your killboard by jumping in at the tail end of any old passing fleet kill…often adding a piddling 64 DPS to the count…and after 4 years of no killboard whatever…suddenly makes you an experienced pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/201 "2023-01-01T13:39:19Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh, here we go…everyone else has to ‘prove’ stuff but you never do. I haven’t made any claims that require proof. I haven’t called for ganking to be removed or said that it’s any particular problem. You on the other hand are adamant that removing ganking would have a huge impact. OK, so prove it. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > gotta love the way you desperately padding out your killboard by jumping in at the tail end of any old passing fleet kill… I’m flying in fleets, nothing “tail end” about it. I like how you used to scream “Oh everyone else has no killboard” and now you’re trying to criticize my kills because your previous argument no longer stands. It’s extra funny since almost all of your “kills” are just you whoring on a structure. I understand that you are upset that you are _terrible_ at EVE, but don’t take it out on me. Oh, and I like that you’ve done that thing where you find one kill out of hundreds, look at the damage and then make a claim about what I “often” do. This again is something you do a lot, claiming a pattern from a single example usually presented with no context. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/202 "2023-01-01T14:30:07Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > I haven’t made any claims that require proof. You stated that if ganking were removed ‘the impact would be negligible’. _Your words_. Prove it ! Why are you asking _me_ for proof when _you_ are the one who made the claim ? This is your usual twisting everything around method of arguing. You make an assertion…then if anyone disagrees you demand that they ‘prove it’…thus trying to remove the onus being on you to prove your original assertion. This is _why_ I say your ‘debating’ is dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/203 "2023-01-01T14:37:53Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You stated that if ganking were removed ‘the impact would be negligible’. _Your words_. Actually what I said was: “You are correct though that ganking is a very tiny portion of all destruction in EVE, so if it were removed (which I do not believe it should not be) the impact would be negligible.” I’m basing my statement on a claim you made. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > This is _why_ I say your ‘debating’ is dishonest. You say this because you have no other arguments. You come in and dump your opinion then when anyone disputes it you insult them and call them dishonest. Go ahead, go look through your own posts and count up how many times you insult someone or try to drag the conversation off-topic onto their killboards or some other criticism of them as a person. You’re the problem. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623.md?page=11)