# Highsec Ganking Dead - Are you happy now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 27, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623 "2022-12-27T19:54:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 6:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/41 "2022-12-28T18:29:34Z")
As an Elite PVPer I can confirm that ganking is dead. Someone close this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/42 "2022-12-28T19:20:24Z")
> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > That’s what I keep reading from one side and totally the opposite from another while a lot of others seem rather blasé. > I seriously doubt that those responsible for EVE would be working in direct contradiction with what makes it profitable and engaging. Of course, I’ve been wrong before 😃 > Still, EVE has been dying a long time. It can certainly keep dying for the next ten years. Oh. So you’re new to MMOs too. Got it 😃 Google UO, Google SWG, especially. You seem to think CCP is infallible when past history has proven no human is. It’s obvious what model they are turning to, however EVE itself lacks some of the content and engagement that would make that model successful. Could they add it? Of course. But will they? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/43 "2022-12-28T19:26:35Z")
They have already added daily login rewards, instanced dungeons, arenas, and whatever the equivalent of Faction Warfare is in these other games. What are we missing in Eve? Loot boxes and gold ammo? ---
**Author:** ![Jinyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinyo/32/472226_2.png) [@Jinyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinyo)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/44 "2022-12-28T19:35:07Z")
Unfortunately NEPF were just a sample demographic in a case study, didn’t mean to imply that you asked for these changes. However I’m well aware some of the AG community are more than content with recent changes. Being honest, I had a lot of fun in Uedama during its most active period(s) and sad that has died off. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/45 "2022-12-28T20:36:25Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > They have already added daily login rewards, instanced dungeons, arenas, and whatever the equivalent of Faction Warfare is in these other games. What are we missing in Eve? Loot boxes and gold ammo? Basically they wanna gear toward the BP model. But the PvE content isn’t enough to sustain it. If they did add WiS or at least captain’s quarters, with rares to grind/farm for, then it’d keep some of the crybears happy. However we don’t. So we are taking away player driven content but not replacing it with anything. Boredom will quickly set in. It’s obv they are trying to make low FW the only type of PvP really, although I feel low sec gate camps will make a come back once people figure this out, but it’ll just be peeps popping the frigs/dessies with instalock nados and such. Then they will want peeps to go to null for “elite PvP” but they’ve been gutting null’s ability to mass krab, so peeps don’t wanna really fight. We need more reasons to be out in space, not less. Including being content for others 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/46 "2022-12-28T20:49:13Z")
To tell you the truth it was easy game play, things we are looking into now will be more challenging, but still on the same side. Kill rights are still fun and disrupting bots is a Noble venture. My long term plan for this character was to fight and build a force that would push gankers and criminals back to low sec then if low and null disrespected the laws in high we would hinder any movement in high sec, as I started to understand the game better and taking advice from people in these forums I realised that’s not going to be possible. So I adapted but most of Githany’s aims are still there and they come out in the things we do, like which null blocks we on occasions fight, who we help, wanting a better war dec sys and poco and the TTT etc So yes the easy part of crime fighting has gone because of game changes, unfortunately not due to our actions although we became very effect at stopping ganks despite what gankers say, killing their loot freighters and stopping some very large ganks with very small force. I did think the Edencom ships were going to be a good tool but we never achieved the training requirements before change set in. That play style should have been promoted so if player wanted gankers stopped they could make the effect to stop it but no we lost our gankers though game changes and prices ---
**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/47 "2022-12-28T22:52:00Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You seem to think CCP is infallible when past history has proven no human is Infallibility = no human > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > It’s obvious what model they are turning to Maybe to you it is. To me it’s not since I’m > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > new to MMOs 😃 > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > however EVE itself lacks some of the content and engagement that would make that model successful Like what content and what engagement? Are all your thoughts short of conclusions or is it my inexperience at foruming? > [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Could they add it? Of course. But will they? Let’s first agree on what _it_ is first before that’s answered. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/48 "2022-12-28T23:08:30Z")
Eve’s PvE gameplay is punitive, not fun, and very robotic. If you want to eliminate PvP the the PvE would need to be a lot better. Or maybe not. Maybe people will grind the Eve PvE just to get more isk. What do I know? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/49 "2022-12-28T23:10:47Z")
> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > I seriously doubt that those responsible for EVE would be working in direct contradiction with what makes it profitable and engaging. Of course, I’ve been wrong before 😃 > Still, EVE has been dying a long time. It can certainly keep dying for the next ten years. Just because something is profitable, doesn’t mean that it’s also engaging. The two aren’t mutually inclusive. Also, the amount of forum control we have now is totally disproportionate to the amount of activity in general. CCP is obviously making some very bad choices that aren’t paying off in terms of player satisfaction (which is similar to engagement). They’ve ordered the ISDs to shut down any discussion that’s remotely critical of EVE. These are signs that they’re concentrating **only** on profitability, and don’t give two shits about what any of the players (carebears or griefers, doesn’t matter) actually think. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/50 "2022-12-28T23:34:33Z")
> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > Like what content and what engagement? > Are all your thoughts short of conclusions or is it my inexperience at foruming? This is showing your lack of MMO experience yet again. There has to be goals to work towards, savvy? These goals can be given by the game or decided by the player. EVE is slowly stripping away the player made goals whilst not really having any in-game ones either. Whether it be items or some kind of tangible thing. EVE PvM doesn’t really have that. > [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#): > > Maybe to you it is. To me it’s not since I’m Of course its obvious brosef, if you’ve played MMOs for the past 10-15 years 😃 The problem is they killing the goose for the gander. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Also, the amount of forum control we have now is totally disproportionate to the amount of activity in general. CCP is obviously making some very bad choices that aren’t paying off in terms of player satisfaction (which is similar to engagement). They’ve ordered the ISDs to shut down any discussion that’s remotely critical of EVE. These are signs that they’re concentrating **only** on profitability, and don’t give two shits about what any of the players (carebears or griefers, doesn’t matter) actually think. What’s funny is I’d say we some of the most engaged people on these forums and get regularly shut down 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/51 "2022-12-29T01:24:56Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > nullsec Nullsec - habitat of the f1 monkey. The f1 monkey, a nervous creature, prone to docking at the first sign of trouble. Various attempts having been used to coax the f1 monkey out of the safety of it’s station such as bananas, but to no avail. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/52 "2022-12-29T01:41:03Z")
Really? Because I’ve heard from many other people on the forum that null-sec is where the elite PvPers live, and is where griefers should go to if they want to have _ **real** _ fights instead of clubbing baby seals like no-skill cowards… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/53 "2022-12-29T02:08:25Z")
Hey. Do you know how hard it is to be part of a 117 person fleet and to press F1 to blap a lone thorax? It takes precision. Skill. Unprecedented reflexes. Great men are forged in fire after all, it is the privilege of lesser men like us to light the flame. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/54 "2022-12-29T02:28:06Z")
It just sounds like you’re making excuses because you don’t have the balls to engage in real fleet PvP warfare in a place where all the elite PvP warriors fight each other, instead of picking on day-old rookies in high-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/55 "2022-12-29T02:52:59Z")
Indeed, 207 people to take out one ishtar is _penultimate_ expression of elite EVE PvP. We could only be so lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/56 "2022-12-29T03:03:47Z")
Elite PvP is when your entire alliance docks up when a filament fleet lands in your territory. Real men don’t F1. ---
**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/57 "2022-12-29T05:35:30Z")
yep, brilliant change. Ganking is for real pirates… not whiney little chumps who want to do as little as possible or gank defenceless ships that arent even carrying anything worth scooping. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/58 "2022-12-29T05:47:55Z")
> [@Turgun](#): > > Ganking is for real pirates… not whiney little chumps ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/4/1/241fb3796e5f17cd5014da40cdc6e65377ff6985.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/59 "2022-12-29T05:52:41Z")
> [@Turgun](#): > > not whiney little chumps The irony 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/60 "2022-12-29T05:53:25Z")
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