# Highsec Ganking Dead - Are you happy now?

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623>\
**Category:** Crime & Punishment\
**Created:** [December 27, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623 "2022-12-27T19:54:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/62 "2022-12-29T05:54:29Z")

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Im sure you will… until then i feel bad for you.

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**Author:** ![Turgun](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/turgun/32/485606_2.png) [@Turgun](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Turgun)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/64 "2022-12-29T05:58:46Z")

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I think your command of the English language leaves a lot to be desired sir… or you have been reading someone elses post…  
I literally do not understand wtf you are talking about but i have this advice for you.

Insanity such as yours, is never endearing.

Good luck with your dumb trolling though, though the true irony is that you are clearly very upset about something probably because you are one of these aforementioned chumps.

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/65 "2022-12-29T06:03:08Z")

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> [@Turgun](#):
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> Insanity such as yours, is never endearing.

Oh. Mind dropping what qualifies you to diagnose this medically?

Are you at least gonna do BIMs or

> [@Turgun](#):
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> Good luck with your dumb trolling though, though the true irony is that you are clearly very upset about something probably because you are one of these aforementioned chumps.

Heh. The irony again.

But keep crying tho.

It is _delicious_ 😃

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**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/66 "2022-12-29T06:14:05Z")

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> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> high sec was extremely safe

And now it’s idiot proof, everyone need customers i guess…

¯\_ _(ツ)_ \_/¯

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 6:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/67 "2022-12-29T06:18:40Z")

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Sadly true

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**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 6:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/68 "2022-12-29T06:52:06Z")

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> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> Just because something is profitable, doesn’t mean that it’s also engaging.

I didn’t say that if something is profitable it’s also engaging. Sorry for my english it’s not my first language.

> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> Also, the amount of forum control we have now is totally disproportionate to the amount of activity in general. CCP is obviously making some very bad choices that aren’t paying off in terms of player satisfaction (which is similar to engagement).

Yes, I do get the sense that a majority of the players aren’t happy with what CCP has done in the last few years.

> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#):
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> They’ve ordered the ISDs to shut down any discussion that’s remotely critical of EVE. These are signs that they’re concentrating **only** on profitability, and don’t give two shits about what any of the players (carebears or griefers, doesn’t matter) actually think

I had a feeling that’s the case but I didn’t want to be the one to make the statement, it wouldn’t have gone well seeing that I’m new and know nothing of what Im talking about.

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**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/69 "2022-12-29T07:00:02Z")

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T’is the season to be jolly, not so bitter.

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**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 7:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/70 "2022-12-29T07:42:57Z")

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> [@Xeux](#):
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> Eve’s PvE gameplay is punitive, not fun, and very robotic.

I agree in the sense that it’s souless. Robotic is a good description.  
I haven’t even finished the career agents yet. **It’s boring!** And I feel I’m not learning anything with the agents’ missions and I doubt I’ll finish them.

> [@Xeux](#):
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> If you want to eliminate PvP the the PvE would need to be a lot better

Who in their right mind would want to take PvP out of EVE?

> [@Xeux](#):
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> Maybe people will grind the Eve PvE just to get more isk

With the way the PvE is, it would be soulcrushing but maybe you’re right, maybe people don’t got no soul ☺

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**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/71 "2022-12-29T08:18:11Z")

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> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> This is showing your lack of MMO experience yet again.

Yes sir. I lack everything everywhere, thanks for stating the evident, Cap’n Obvious 😃

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> There has to be goals to work towards, savvy?

No se, senior. Solo soy una humilde campesina 😃

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> These goals can be given by the game or decided by the player

What about my rabbi, can he give me goals too? 😃

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> EVE is slowly stripping away the player made goals whilst not really having any in-game ones either

I have my goals for the game, not waiting after CCP to tell me what to do.

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> Whether it be items or some kind of tangible thing. EVE **PvM(?)** doesn’t really have that

I’m not materialistic so I’m okay with that.

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> Of course its obvious brosef, if you’ve played MMOs for the past 10-15 years

But I’m brand new to MMOs, as you said.

> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> The problem is they killing the goose for the gander

Goose is good meat. Never tasted gander.

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**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/72 "2022-12-29T09:10:08Z")

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> [@Jinyo](#):
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> ouldn’t try to gaslight me, NEPF was far more active showing 100’s of kills on a good week - now showing a lofty 13 kills in the last 7 days. I’ve used NEPF as a single case study.

This is the one:

[https://media.tenor.com/pfd3ov2DcoMAAAAd/coffin-dance-dancing-pallbearers.gif(image larger than 10 MB)](https://media.tenor.com/pfd3ov2DcoMAAAAd/coffin-dance-dancing-pallbearers.gif)

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**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/73 "2022-12-29T09:14:54Z")

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No those are to cry out. Words crying and whining are used in these in every second post. And the every other post is an actual whining or crying. 😃

This is not such post, but EVE community is inherently hostile to just about anything. Even when someone comes up with a good idea, it is shat at immediately by trolls and bitter vets.

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**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/74 "2022-12-29T09:16:13Z")

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Ganking is in a sad place, a lot of small/bigger changes reduced its appeal it seems. I miss the time where I could undock in Perimeter babysitting my market orders while “harassing” gankers along the Urlen chain, and claim some nice secondary loot drops … and a lot of Russian slurs.

I don’t see much reason nowadays to be in highsec for PvP.

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/75 "2022-12-29T09:19:09Z")

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> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#):
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> What about my rabbi, can he give me goals too? 😃

I mean, as long as you don’t let him carve emet on your forehead 😃

> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#):
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> I have my goals for the game, not waiting after CCP to tell me what to do.

That’s great, until CCP takes away your ability to accomplish those goals

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**Author:** ![Jinyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jinyo/32/472226_2.png) [@Jinyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jinyo)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/76 "2022-12-29T11:35:44Z")

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> [@Tipa\_Riot](#):
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> claim some nice secondary loot drops

I’ll be honest, I did this too. Some loot drops were extremely nice!

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**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/77 "2022-12-29T12:22:09Z")

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Making sec status matter more didn’t remove any player-made goals.

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**Author:** ![Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/keara_the_reaver/32/344828_2.png) [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Keara_the_Reaver)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/78 "2022-12-29T12:35:26Z")

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> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> That’s great, until CCP takes away your ability to accomplish those goals

Then I’ll set other goals or get bored and play another game.  
I would certainly not hang out in the forum of a game I no longer play so to spill frustration by being passive-aggressive. But that’s just me I guess.

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**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/79 "2022-12-29T13:32:43Z")

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> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#):
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> Be sure to cry more on the forums tho

More salt for Aiko’s statue.

> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#):
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> Who in their right mind would want to take PvP out of EVE?

The Whinebaby Gang.

![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/c/c/8cca7312607e25d5030e4ba3fdb87c4dd17a1dda.gif)

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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/80 "2022-12-29T17:30:29Z")

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> [@Keara\_the\_Reaver](#):
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> Then I’ll set other goals or get bored and play another game.  
> I would certainly not hang out in the forum of a game I no longer play so to spill frustration by being passive-aggressive. But that’s just me I guess.

Neither would I? Hence why I still play 😃

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**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/81 "2022-12-29T18:09:46Z")

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> [@Io\_Koval](#):
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> I am pretty sure CCP trying to eliminate the _survival of the fittest_ forcing function at every turn literally means evolution cannot take place. The only way _evolution_ takes place is when there exists a forcing function that punishes the weak, stupid, lazy, ignorant, and ineffectual.

I think the very fact that Eve has been Darwinian in nature is why some have not liked it. Never mind that Darwinian evolution is precisely what gave them the intelligence to decide what to like or not like.

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**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/82 "2022-12-29T19:26:18Z")

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Nerfs weren’t needed. Alpha ganking wasn’t a problem. AFAIK I was the only player who was able to utilize alphas efficiently - use them to “exploit” criminal timer or to cover dozen of areas where I was logging them on demand (which is also reason I didn’t want to pay them). Multiboxing alphas was surely possible - it still is, but I don’t believe it was a thing. And if it was, why couldn’t CCP just ban them like they ban botters? It is very easy to see that these clients are logging from same IP (I don’t believe that anyone was multiboxing alphas with also proxy for each client that is nonsense).

The end result is that lot of casual gankers are now gone. It seems to hit Safety. the most - they also had the most unique players in their alliance - but apparently most were alphas.

Griefing was not a thing either and CCP doesn’t even seems to understand what griefing is and isn’t. Nobody was ganking \<30 days noobs in their rookie ships just for lulz. If anything then the noobs were prey of gankers when AFK mining in venture outside the rookie/career systems or when autopilotting with pod (which was usually result of not enough time to check the pod age or AGs’ interference).  
(And even if it was a thing and there were players who were specifically targetting noobs and killing their clean pods and free rookie ships - that still isn’t griefing. It would be griefing when they would be killing them over and over and trying to prevent them to finish career missions - which is in nature impossible to do anyway due to the criminal timer.)

The nerfs were directly not impacting the gate/station Tornado gankers, neither positive status gankers. However since the prices of tags increased quite a lot, the end result was that some of these players got also annoyed and lowered down their activity or simply quit.

So yes, the impact on ganking is noticeable. Ganking is definitely down mainly due to the activity drop of the largest group Safety. They still gank, but they are now using tags and they pretty much abandoned their home system Uedama.

Of course, there are other factors why some gankers stopped playing or took a temporary break.

1. The botting cause with Ivicek and loot bots. It disgust many players.
2. It is Christmas time.
3. PLEX cost (which went down now to previous level but maybe nobody told them?)

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