# Highsec Ganking Dead - Are you happy now? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [December 27, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623 "2022-12-27T19:54:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/123 "2022-12-30T19:23:29Z")
So is highsec ganking dead or is that claim just typical Eve hysteria? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/124 "2022-12-30T19:35:44Z")
In spite of the title, the original post is saying that anti-ganking is dead - not that ganking is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Yendor\_Kashada2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yendor_kashada2/32/375746_2.png) [@Yendor\_Kashada2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yendor_Kashada2)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/125 "2022-12-30T20:02:11Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > Ganking has never been an ISK faucet. **There will always be Ganking. You just need to be more selective in your targets and actually hunt for the dummies that carry a very high value. It will no longer be the isk faucet it once was.** ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/126 "2022-12-30T20:09:52Z")
> [@Yendor\_Kashada2](#): > > It will no longer be the isk faucet it once was. Ganking has never been an ISK faucet. Insurance for the target is a faucet, but gankers don’t get insurance. What ISK gets created for gankers when they gank a ship? And to quote the rest of my previous reply: > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That aside, if as you say, gankers shift their focus towards more valuable targets, how is it no longer an ISK faucet for them? It would be more of one surely. > > That also aside, gankers aren’t carebears. ISK isn’t necessarily their goal. There’s lots of other reasons they gank, but carebears don’t seem to think anything other than ISK is important. CCP don’t seem to understand this either. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/127 "2022-12-30T20:24:15Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > gankers don’t get insurance. We used to. Back in the glory days. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/128 "2022-12-30T21:09:53Z")
Is a source of ISK generation not a faucet if the aggressors don’t receive the payout? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/129 "2022-12-30T21:26:33Z")
No, an ISK faucet is something that creates new ISK in the game. Only insurance for the target of a gank is a faucet. As Xeux rightly pointed out, prior to 2008, gankers also received insurance when CONCORDed, but that was changed. So there is no ISK faucet for gankers when they gank. The faucets and sinks in the game are here for example: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/8/0/380ced2c320d46381e099685c0abab607aee71ca.png) Insurance is the only aspect of PVP that is a faucet or sink (in this case a faucet). Everything else is simply a change of who has possession of goods that aren’t destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/130 "2022-12-30T23:32:22Z")
Sure, and I was only really saying it in jest, but the point was that insurance is a faucet. Who gets paid doesn’t matter to whether or not it’s a faucet. ---
**Author:** ![Wah\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wah_huren/32/394699_2.png) [@Wah\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wah_Huren)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/131 "2022-12-31T00:27:28Z")
So, in reply to the OP… and along with Ms Red… The changes were as much of a surprise to us as a corp as to anyone else. The gankers have changed their targets; the glory days of huge catalyst balls and whoring on KM have gone… We can and will adapt too… There will always be a suspect or criminal about to apprehend in the meantime - have a great New Year, everyone 🥳 ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/132 "2022-12-31T00:43:12Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > Who gets paid doesn’t matter to whether or not it’s a faucet. OK then, on the back of that clarification, why is it no longer the same faucet it once was? If the gankers go after higher value targets and less cheap ships (eg. more freighters and fewer ventures) why it is less of an ISK faucet then before (going back to the original stupid sockpuppet statement that was made)? Both of you have it backwards if going with the “this is all about insurance payouts” line. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 2:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/133 "2022-12-31T02:49:25Z")
The gate from perimeter to urlin had tornado waiting as did the u dock at 4-4 and even Aaarrgg was making his standard run to jita. It’s just the big ball gankers that have gone for now ---
**Author:** ![Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elizabet_forgrave/32/457166_2.png) [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elizabet_Forgrave)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/134 "2022-12-31T04:23:07Z")
Oh I agree with you that it doesn’t matter what targets they hit, it’s a faucet either way. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. My only reason for supporting bigger targets is that it’s better content all round. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/135 "2022-12-31T04:28:11Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > it’s better content all round If you gank, then great. I hope you hit all the big targets you can. Other gankers though might view different targets as better content all around. Each to their own, although CCP have certainly become very opinionated about what a legitimate reason to gank is, but as always, when they try to decide what is the right way to play, the community eventually shows them that they have no clue. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/136 "2022-12-31T08:27:46Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > CCP have certainly become very opinionated Not really, they just listen to the whineballs ---
**Author:** ![Sha\_lbalamaye\_Zeitu\_neh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sha_lbalamaye_zeitu_neh/32/347733_2.png) [@Sha\_lbalamaye\_Zeitu\_neh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sha_lbalamaye_Zeitu_neh)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 9:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/137 "2022-12-31T09:33:51Z")
> [@Elizabet\_Forgrave](#): > > In your opinion as a biomassed character. It’s curious that the people calling for omega only on the forum haven’t called you out for posting on a character that no longer exists @Vokan_Narkar ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/2/4/224e8489554baf3e7cdd9de212b596ae13576ccd.webp "Episode 5 Pointing GIF by The Simpsons - Find & Share on GIPHY") ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 10:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/138 "2022-12-31T10:17:24Z")
Frostpacker supports Brisc for fixing Highsec! Fix everything even concord! ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/139 "2022-12-31T11:44:12Z")
[If](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105732963/) [ganking](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105751341/) [is](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105741936/) [dead](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105727644/), [what](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105726599/) [killed](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105740253/) [these](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105717440/) [ships](https://zkillboard.com/kill/105719054/)? ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/140 "2022-12-31T12:00:00Z")
This primary chain of hauler ganking was already gone with Niarja‘s move to Pochven. Ganking has according to zkill moved to Abyss runners, after they got expelled from Jita. Sadly the suspect flag‘s reintroduction is pointless as you can avoid it. IMO CCP should promote more “regular” PvP in highsec. To counter instanced ISK printing it would be balanced to force suspect on T6/T5 runners. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/141 "2022-12-31T12:14:55Z")
> [@Jinyo](#): > > Why is it any posting on here has to be interpreted as a cry or whine on the forums? because the tile of your OP is “highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now?” which announces litterally a crying and whining post? ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2022, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623/142 "2022-12-31T12:47:06Z")
I have Lucas and his alts blocked. So if CCP forces you to biomass your toon by some nerfs you should just stop posting on forum even when you have years of history here? Well I refuse. As long as I can post on this alt I will. As for my main, I was called to state who is my main several times and I did that. I even posted with my main to prove it because of non-believers. So yet again, my main is [Honzas Krutas | Character | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/character/96759555/) but I am the whole corporation - all the kills are achieved by me and only me. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/highsec-ganking-dead-are-you-happy-now/389623.md?page=8)