# HiSec Wardecs will kill this game! **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [November 3, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299 "2017-11-03T15:54:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Saeger1737](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saeger1737/32/459629_2.png) [@Saeger1737](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saeger1737)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 2:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/82 "2018-02-21T02:52:54Z")
Eve is a hard game… Get ust to it ![127a2824_eve-online-learning-curve](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/2X/d/d2947d74e8c6cac8b5328cc44dc7b8f2d744c406.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Abyss\_Azizora](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/abyss_azizora/32/15938_2.png) [@Abyss\_Azizora](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Abyss_Azizora)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/83 "2018-02-21T03:01:23Z")
Well OP you will be happy you will be happy to hear that CCP basically removes wardecs from eve (at least in it’s current spammable form) before it shuts down in order to retain paying players, the bad news is, it’s not for another 2 years or so. (Man from the future signing out.) ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/84 "2018-02-21T06:56:58Z")
There are only around 350 toons in VMG and PIRAT alone, marmite has 723 i believe, of those 1k toons probably less than fifty are active. > [@SurrenderMonkey](#): > > Oh, see, I bet a lot of the other posters didn’t realize we’re allowed to just fabricate numbers out of thin ■■■■■■■ air. Listen you cheese eating surrender monkey… But no in seriousness, it was an analogy… > [@Awesome\_Possum](#): > > I don’t think you understand the business model under which CCP operates. > > I am willing to bet RMT cold hard cash that those 10 bittervets bring more money into CCP than those 1000 newbie die-hard pve carebears ever would. Nope. Unless you include me plexing three accounts every month as ‘cold hard cash’; but then you would be discounting people like me wouldnt you, in favour of your clearly flawed and one sided logic 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/85 "2018-02-21T06:59:18Z")
> [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > Listen you cheese eating surrender monkey… But no in seriousness, it was an analogy… What was it analogizing? War decs have been a feature of Eve since always. The population has moved both up and down, independently of the presence of war decs. Unless you can reconcile these actual facts with your hypothesis, it lacks any credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/86 "2018-02-21T07:00:24Z")
Been playin ten years, most of which pvp; spent about 3 or 4 years (and occasional foray) in and out of places like marmite and concentrated evil to name a few, ive flown with magic preacher and kikah as well as many, many others. You mistake me for some nub who hasnt played this highsec dec game, i have, its flawed. ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/87 "2018-02-21T07:02:16Z")
Debating with you would only bring me down to your level, and so utterly pointless, we would both end up calling each other names and getting no where at all tbvh. For example… > [@SurrenderMonkey](#): > > It’s actually 10 old customers say this is good vs 1 customer who uselessly cried about it on the forum before pissing off back to their peasant belt. Yet you yourself have provided no facts? until you do so your not exactly in a spot to ask for any are you? ty buh buh o7 ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/88 "2018-02-21T07:04:57Z")
> [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > Debating with you would only bring me down to your level, and so utterly pointless, we would both end up calling each other names and getting no where at all tbvh. I haven’t called you names. I pointed out that the actual facts are not on your side. You’ve made the assertion that a feature of eve that has been consistent for its entire existence is killing it. But sure, trying to pretend that you have some sort of moral highground as an end run around trying to address the obvious, elementary problems with your position is one strategy, I guess. Not, you know.. a good one, but if it’s all you have… ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/89 "2018-02-21T07:05:43Z")
still here? are you lost? i wouldnt be at all surprised tbvh ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/90 "2018-02-21T07:07:02Z")
> [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > Yet you yourself have provided no facts? until you do so your not exactly in a spot to ask for any are you? > > ty buh buh o7 I provided the fact that your position is apparently contingent on your ability to make up any numbers you please. Either everyone gets to do that, or nobody does. You don’t seem to like it when I do it, so I’m assuming you’ll be correcting your previous lies. ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/91 "2018-02-21T07:07:27Z")
cry mwoar nub ur tears sustain me ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/92 "2018-02-21T07:08:48Z")
Oh, so you’re actually just a troll and are incapable of providing any argument that withstands scrutiny so mild as an assertion that you don’t get to make up your facts wholecloth? ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/94 "2018-02-21T07:19:24Z")
at this point im wondering whether you feel you could have worded this better? > [@SurrenderMonkey](#): > > Oh, see, I bet a lot of the other posters didn’t realize we’re allowed to just fabricate numbers out of thin ■■■■■■■ air. > > It’s actually 10 old customers say this is good vs 1 customer who uselessly cried about it on the forum before pissing off back to their peasant belt. And also where you actually fit in here… > [@Do not allow jobs to be inserted if time to complete is longer then fuel left](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/do-not-allow-jobs-to-be-inserted-if-time-to-complete-is-longer-then-fuel-left/57736/33): > > It probably shouldn’t be surprising that someone who thinks the game should be custom-built to prevent him from having to address any level of adversity himself considers any opposing opinion to be “trolling” — both notions are derived from a similar flavor of childish entitlement. Because you very much seem like the type that simply disagrees with people rudely, then complains like a little ■■■■■ when treated the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/95 "2018-02-21T07:21:55Z")
gets his hankey ready for surrendermonkies everywhere ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/96 "2018-02-21T07:22:04Z")
> [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > Because you very much seem like the type that simply disagrees with people rudely, then complains like a little ■■■■■ when treated the same way. Oh, you can be as rude as you want. If something so mild as having it pointed out that your claim doesn’t pass even the slightest bit of critical consideration drives you to an incoherent meltdown, go nuts. It’s not the most compelling rhetorical style, but if it’s all you have… ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/97 "2018-02-21T07:22:15Z")
/me prepares the miniature violin ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/98 "2018-02-21T07:24:43Z")
> [@SurrenderMonkey](#): > > pointed out that your claim doesn’t pass even the slightest bit of critical consider > [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > also learn to english A N A L O G Y its near the beginning you should be able to find it in the dictionary.. but you know this, your just trolling and so /me plays miniature violin for surrendermonkey WAAA WAA VEEEEE (thats actually the sound of the violin) would you like some cheese? maybe some wine? ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/99 "2018-02-21T07:26:58Z")
oh you already have the whine dont you… ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderMonkey](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/surrendermonkey/32/153964_2.png) [@SurrenderMonkey](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SurrenderMonkey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/100 "2018-02-21T07:27:37Z")
I’m reasonably certain you’re not familiar with what an analogy actually _is_. You’ve posited an argument around “retention” but you haven’t actually shown a correlation, much less _causation_. Meanwhile, historical data re: population numbers shows the precise _opposite_ of what you’ve claimed. No amount of unhinged forum tantrum is going to remedy that. Perhaps you’d like to revisit the topic and correct your previous misstatements instead? ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/101 "2018-02-21T07:27:59Z")
i mean all this is basically c&p at its finest isnt it really ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299/102 "2018-02-21T07:28:32Z")
analogy əˈnalədʒi/Submit noun a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification. "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies" a correspondence or partial similarity. "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia" a thing which is comparable to something else in significant respects. “works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature” [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hisec-wardecs-will-kill-this-game/36299.md?page=6)