# Hmm... losing SP with pods **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [September 25, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273 "2018-09-25T22:47:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/102 "2018-11-19T11:25:02Z")
> [@elitatwo](#): > > This may come as a surprise but remember when CCP announced the removal of the clone upgrade? > > I said, one day they will ask to return it. I apologize for coming from the future and telling you this. But remove literally any feature and there will always be atleast one person who wants it back, that still doesn’t make it a good idea though 😛 ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/103 "2018-11-19T12:30:56Z")
Yeah and set of perch bookmarks is the first thing every smart person in low-sec and null-sec creates. ---
**Author:** ![March\_rabbit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/march_rabbit/32/453160_2.png) [@March\_rabbit](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/March_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/104 "2018-11-19T12:36:10Z")
> [@Tater-nuts](#): > > Smart bombing battleships are a thing (ie Rancer) and I have even seen and used smart bombs flying cruisers and battlecruisers. Since I am a solo pilot getting involved in a big fw fight is not the best idea, but sitting on the gate with a smart bombing ship waiting for pods to appear during a fight sure works fine for me. So no, you don’t always get away with your pod in low sec if someone wants it bad enough. > > Perhaps if you got away from being an F1 monkey and were able to think for yourself, you would better understand the survival of a solo pilot and how some things are unavoidable. I’m not sure knowing about ‘do not warp straight to gates in pod’ is the special ability of “F1 monkey”… 🤔 Learn something new every day! ---
**Author:** ![Zachri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zachri/32/69948_2.png) [@Zachri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zachri)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/105 "2018-11-19T12:47:13Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > The problem with capital proliferation is… capital proliferation. Once upon a time we had the same thing with battleships. It’s never the type or class, it’s always the behaviour in relation to the constant of proliferation. Nothing more, nothing less. ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/106 "2018-11-19T13:53:58Z")
Maybe but we had the Crucible and Retribution tiericide which made a lot of formerly not very useful ship classes useful and viable. Looking at those classes, we can say they are in a good shape in relation to one another with one class not oppressive to another and all of them very new player viable. What happened is this, very scared and not very good pilot sees a frigate and got violated. Makes inject cheat-stix and flies the capital ship. Capital ship \>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>\> subcapital ship. Now that same scared pilot is not so scared and runs havens and sanctums all day and is bored an wondering why not everyone is showing up to lemming into its super duper capital insta-win boat. ---
**Author:** ![Maria\_Dragoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maria_dragoon/32/176816_2.png) [@Maria\_Dragoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maria_Dragoon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/107 "2018-11-19T13:55:09Z")
Wasn’t the whole cloning thing considered a pointless time sink? ---
**Author:** ![elitatwo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elitatwo/32/373473_2.png) [@elitatwo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/elitatwo)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/108 "2018-11-19T13:56:09Z")
It was but once CCP said it’s all good and years later they said it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/109 "2018-11-19T18:17:50Z")
Skill loss with T3 works because: 1. It’s associated with destruction of a T3 _ship_, not a T3 pilot’s pod. 2. There are very specific skills that such a loss can impact, and they are all level 1 skills (i.e. very quick trains). 3. T3 ships are so flexible and generalized that adding some kind of additional penalty for using them feels appropriate. Applying something similar to all ships dosn’t. (Subjective, but still.) Your stated goal is to “stop capital proliferation”, and your suggestion seems like an incredibly broad brush to tackle such a narrow problem. -1. Bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/110 "2018-11-19T18:20:14Z")
Skill loss with t3 “works” because t3 are so overpowered they needed some downside. It doesn’t really work and never did, turned a lot of newer players off them leaving them the domain of the old vet who can afford time to retrain. Which suits vets just fine keeping the best toys for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![techzer0](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/techzer0/32/101314_2.png) [@techzer0](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/techzer0)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/111 "2018-11-19T20:32:43Z")
Add in that concord pods people that become criminal in high sec. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/112 "2018-11-19T21:17:03Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Skill loss with t3 “works” because t3 are so overpowered they needed some downside. It doesn’t really work and never did, turned a lot of newer players off them leaving them the domain of the old vet who can afford time to retrain. > Which suits vets just fine keeping the best toys for themselves. Well, yes. I should have put “works” in quotes because that’s relative. T3s are a whole other mess to contend with. It certainly works better than losing skill points any time you get destroyed and/or podded regardless of the ship you’re flying. ---
**Author:** ![Sebs\_Pride](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebs_pride/32/181192_2.png) [@Sebs\_Pride](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebs_Pride)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/114 "2018-11-20T01:21:17Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Look at Titans. Released as alliance, even coalition level assets. And now people say “meh, I’m gonna inject 50m sp and get a jump-start on my titan”. eh, I’ll inject 50mil skill points for a “jump start” Meh I’ll just spend $1250 dollars for a jump start?? ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/115 "2018-11-20T15:48:02Z")
> [@Sebs\_Pride](#): > > Meh I’ll just spend $1250 dollars for a jump start?? Why would you spend the money when you can just spend the isk? Isk is free (monetarily, I mean). ---
**Author:** ![Sebs\_Pride](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebs_pride/32/181192_2.png) [@Sebs\_Pride](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebs_Pride)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/116 "2018-11-20T16:47:20Z")
Who has 1875 billion isk to throw away on a alt?? ---
**Author:** ![Siebmordan\_Hur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siebmordan_hur/32/411383_2.png) [@Siebmordan\_Hur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siebmordan_Hur)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/117 "2018-11-20T16:51:27Z")
I think instead of bounties, I would like to purchase a SP loss on characters for whom I get a kill right. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/118 "2018-11-20T17:32:50Z")
> [@Sebs\_Pride](#): > > Who has 1875 billion isk to throw away on a alt?? There was a dude that injected 200m sp into a new toon. Just because. By comparison, \<2 trillion isk is easily doable for some players who don’t feel like waiting. And of course, never underestimate people’s willingness to throw real money at internet space ships. RSI / Star Citizen are good examples, people have literally spent tens of thousands of dollars on pre-orders alone. Was that stupid of them? Sure. And I’m not talking about whether SC is vaporware, that’s beside the point - people spent the money. It wasn’t even a small number of people, either. ---
**Author:** ![Sebs\_Pride](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sebs_pride/32/181192_2.png) [@Sebs\_Pride](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sebs_Pride)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/119 "2018-11-20T23:16:43Z")
Im sure it has “happened” Like the guy from the isk gambling site maxed out his character (then got banned for RMT) But you act like EVERYONE. Is doing it. The market cant even keep up with that kind of demand. ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Pervert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/old_pervert/32/149708_2.png) [@Old\_Pervert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Old_Pervert)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/120 "2018-11-21T20:10:43Z")
> [@Sebs\_Pride](#): > > But you act like EVERYONE. Is doing it. The market is literally saturated with injectors right now. Which is why SP farms are not profitable at the moment. “Everyone” doesn’t do it. But there are many players who do it. I sadly have only anecdotal evidence to support this. One dude in our alliance injected 10 perfect rorqual pilots from scratch (no, not goons). I know many who either inject whole supercarrier pilots, or supplement their training with a recurring purchase of injectors as their ratting enables. I myself injected up a fax alt. He was partially trained, but I did buy 30 injectors. Strongly debating on making another dread alt and injecting him from scratch. It’s not a titan… but I’m also _far_ from wealthy by Eve standards. ---
**Author:** ![Owen\_Levanth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/owen_levanth/32/379056_2.png) [@Owen\_Levanth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Owen_Levanth)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/121 "2018-11-24T16:34:53Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > I’m sure there are more than a few who remember the days of upgrading your clones. Bring that back. Except the upgrading part. Make SP loss a percentage of the skills used in the ship you were last flying. > > Get podded in a perfect frigate pilot, it’ll take you a week to get back to where you were. Maybe two. You’re of course still able to fly most things almost as well as you were, you just have to top off those lvl5 skills you lost. > > Get podded in a Titan… see you in a year or two. > > You want to stop capital proliferation, amp up the risk to capitals. Granted this will cause blueballs and risk aversion… I say that’s good. > > When you drop your Titans, you’d better be DAMN sure you want to drop your Titans. Risk, reward. > > But it gets better. All those bots that people say they report and never see anything happen? Start podding them. They can’t fly their ■■■■ anymore. > > In LS increase the sec hit on pods given the dramatic increase in cost to the player, leave Null where it is. Ah yes, let’s go back to one of the worst things of old Eve. You should be ashamed for this bad idea, man. ---
**Author:** ![Butt\_Cigar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/butt_cigar/32/131787_2.png) [@Butt\_Cigar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Butt_Cigar)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273/122 "2019-02-08T03:39:22Z")
> [@Old\_Pervert](#): > > Get podded in a perfect frigate pilot, it’ll take you a week to get back to where you were. Maybe two. You’re of course still able to fly most things almost as well as you were, you just have to top off those lvl5 skills you lost. > > Get podded in a Titan… see you in a year or two. So, you’re saying we should get rid of skill injectors? Because that’s the only way your logic holds up. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/hmm-losing-sp-with-pods/109273.md?page=7)