# Horrible Economy, why? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 7, 2017, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025 "2017-08-07T21:33:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/81 "2017-08-19T07:06:33Z")
> [@Peta\_Chieve](#): > > It’s not a horrible economy, it’s an accurate economy. > > It’s a player driven economy, which means it is subject to the whims of the player base. Yes, and IRL economies also fail. Frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Peta\_Chieve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peta_chieve/32/260061_2.png) [@Peta\_Chieve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peta_Chieve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/82 "2017-08-19T08:15:36Z")
Real world economies fail due to accumulated debt, EVE does not have this as a factor in it’s economy, it’s just what you have and what you invest. The issue with the economy currently is simply due to lack of content. Content is the driving factor of the economy, wars require ammo and hulls, which bumps demand, while there is low demand the markets slow down, however people do not stop building. So currently we have an over-saturation of ammo and hulls, and have had for the last year or so, with a shortage of buyers. _Due to the current war this is no longer the case, goods are flying off the shelves_ Besides this, the economy of EVE online is currently transitioning into a more loose structure, with citadels being used more and more and new markets opening up. Mark my words, over the next few years, trade will once again become an actual role people can play, rather than just a side income. ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 9:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/83 "2017-08-19T09:18:27Z")
OP, sell your manufactured goods in low sec, especially FW zones. Margins are fatter and turnover is higher since pilots consistently blap each other every day. If you’re selling in Jita, you’re competing with the big boys who have better suppliers than you. ---
**Author:** ![Peta\_Chieve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peta_chieve/32/260061_2.png) [@Peta\_Chieve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peta_Chieve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/84 "2017-08-19T09:37:59Z")
I would never recommend setting up in lowsec or nullsec unless you have some sort of info advantage or you know that there is demand there. In most cases major alliances have local markets and doctrine contracts, which actually means there’s very little volume to be had for a region trader, outside of ammo and consumables. On top of this, due to the range of items found in the major hubs, most people would rather go to one of them to find their goods. You clearly have no grasp, to assume that my previous statement has any bearing on how you just misconstrued it. ---
**Author:** ![Kaivarian\_Coste](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaivarian_coste/32/413759_2.png) [@Kaivarian\_Coste](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kaivarian_Coste)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/85 "2017-08-19T10:23:13Z")
wat? I didn’t even read your previous reply. I’d set up a sales operation in Maut last year. It actually ran pretty well, made about 50m-100m profit per day selling hulls and pvp modules. It’s one jump from Gallente space, but is neutral, so alot of Caldari pilots will base themselves in Maut instead of trekking all the way back to Caldari space. Until you’re a mighty industrial mogul, low sec is a good place to start, especially for the small to medium-size entrepreneur. ---
**Author:** ![Peta\_Chieve](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peta_chieve/32/260061_2.png) [@Peta\_Chieve](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peta_Chieve)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/86 "2017-08-19T10:39:07Z")
Oh, rip then soz. I’d still steer clear of any market outside of Jita, simply because of volume, trading in ammo, even with a little capital, is better than waiting on remote orders. ---
**Author:** ![JC\_Mieyli](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jc_mieyli/32/242789_2.png) [@JC\_Mieyli](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JC_Mieyli)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/87 "2017-08-19T11:04:42Z")
> [@Peta\_Chieve](#): > > It’s not a horrible economy, it’s an accurate economy. lol nah its a simplistic and badly rigged economy ---
**Author:** ![Markus\_Jameson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/markus_jameson/32/12581_2.png) [@Markus\_Jameson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Markus_Jameson)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/88 "2017-08-20T07:43:11Z")
> [@Celise\_Katelo](#): > > me reading your post, the never ending story… The never ending story? are you sure that wasn’t Return of the Jedi? because I’m sure that’s an Ewok in the 1st clip 🙃 ---
**Author:** ![Selene\_Bork](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/selene_bork/32/436060_2.png) [@Selene\_Bork](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Selene_Bork)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/89 "2017-08-20T08:53:42Z")
If you can manufacture in null sec, can make a nice profit especially if there’s lots of PvP going on. Though there is the danger of course. ---
**Author:** ![Aker\_Krane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aker_krane/32/17021_2.png) [@Aker\_Krane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aker_Krane)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2017, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025/90 "2017-08-20T13:35:59Z")
Horrible economy? Everyone is positioning themselves for what will possibly be the biggest economic freak show in the history of the game… the winter expansion. If you think what you are seeing now is crazy… buckle your seatbelt. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/horrible-economy-why/15025.md?page=4)