# How can T2 Ships have the SAME MASS as T1? **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Created:** [October 25, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112 "2021-10-25T21:08:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/1 "2021-10-25T21:08:07Z")
Why is this So ??? How can it be that you can transport a Widow into a C1 in the same way you can as a Scorpion… And you wonder why wormholes are not being populated ? Can we get a Fix(IT) ? F. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/2 "2021-10-25T21:22:15Z")
Should they have more mass because they have more “technology” or should they have less mass due to more advanced/lighter materials? ---
**Author:** ![leavwiz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/leavwiz/32/235353_2.png) [@leavwiz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/leavwiz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/3 "2021-10-25T21:57:37Z")
was thinking the same thing. i lean towards t2 actually having less mass but then , a hull is a hull ---
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/4 "2021-10-25T22:02:07Z")
Did you try hauling the stuff that it actually take to BuildIT ??? That’s some mass right there - and you can’t do T2 in HS like you can T1… Something is Broken and it’s not the entry level to C1 holes… Please keep the suggestions coming guys… F. ---
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/5 "2021-10-25T22:10:24Z")
Did you want to put your Ford Focus GL up against a Ford Focus ST ??? Meh - I’ll guess not… Same car tho right ? Scorpion - Widow … Same chassis (read Hull) tho right ? I’ll doubt anyone would enter the Focus ST championship in a standard Ford Focus… Doesn’t seem fair to me… Is It Broken ? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/6 "2021-10-25T22:16:52Z")
> [@FoxIT\_Up](#): > > Did you try hauling the stuff that it actually take to BuildIT ??? What about the mass of boosters and implants? Some of those require ridiculous amounts of “stuff” to manufacture, or so I have heard. ---
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/7 "2021-10-25T22:36:47Z")
That’s NOT to do with the Hull mass tho… It’s insane you can haul in a Widow but not a Scorp… It’s the 425mm Blueprint Scam all over again… Sadly… Can we FixIT ? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/8 "2021-10-25T22:48:13Z")
I actually don’t even understand what you are complaining about. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2021, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/9 "2021-10-25T23:12:44Z")
[What's happened to Wormholes? - #30 by FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/whats-happened-to-wormholes/330181/30) this will help shine some light. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/10 "2021-10-26T09:00:46Z")
T2 ships are generally slightly better in most aspects (except manufacturing cost and thus price), which logically means that they should be slightly lighter (= better) than the T1 versions. ---
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 11:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/11 "2021-10-26T11:55:30Z")
So, I’m not too savvy on the particulars of WH life, but this looks like OP got evicted, and is now blaming “broken” mechanics instead of looking what he did wrong. I dunno, I would think that WH’ers would be all about ships that give them a better power to mass ratio. But I guess that depends on whether you hunt in other wormholes, or just want to krab in as much safety as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 12:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/12 "2021-10-26T12:07:05Z")
Physics. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 10:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/13 "2021-10-26T22:02:34Z")
im so confused > [@FoxIT\_Up](#): > > It’s insane you can haul in a Widow but not a Scorp… what do you mean? the are the same size? do you mean the components? because one of the components for a widow is the scorpion so that can’t be it? are you upset that you can fit a BB inside a hauler and get them into C1s? because that’s pretty intended and not broken. without that it would be near impossible to evict an entrenched C1 ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/14 "2021-10-27T14:19:11Z")
What are you even complaining about? Why is this a problem? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/15 "2021-10-27T14:38:32Z")
He lost in a PvP game, which means he has to find _some_ game mechanic to blame the loss on. The alternative is that he got outplayed, which is too hard to swallow. T2 ship mass it is. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/16 "2021-10-27T14:50:41Z")
How does one come up with ship mass as a thing to blame? ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/17 "2021-10-27T14:52:09Z")
> [@FoxIT\_Up](#): > > can’t do T2 in HS like you can T1… Yes, you can. ---
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/18 "2021-10-27T22:07:07Z")
I’m not complaing at all - In fact, being totally up front here… It was actually quite refreshing to see Maraurders kick ass in a C1 instead of Dreks or Kiki’s… What I am saying is - that how can it be that you can haul in a Maraurder Hull at 50k BUT NOT a T1 Hull - yet the build properties of the Maruarder reqire a T1 hull and Extra… ---
**Author:** ![FoxIT\_Up](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foxit_up/32/387428_2.png) [@FoxIT\_Up](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FoxIT_Up)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/19 "2021-10-27T22:12:15Z")
Your reply is not the reason for this post bud - sorry if you happened to mis-read it. I was quite happy to be evicted - the topic is, however - How can a Maraurder be transported into a C1 when it’s T1 equivalent Can’t ? ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112/20 "2021-10-27T22:42:57Z")
> [@FoxIT\_Up](#): > > BUT NOT a T1 Hull So I’m not sure what game you’re playing but both t1 and t2 BB are 50km3 repackaged. [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-can-t2-ships-have-the-same-mass-as-t1/334112.md?page=2)