# How CCP could keep new players longer **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [November 28, 2022, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366 "2022-11-28T21:45:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/21 "2022-11-29T03:02:54Z")
> [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](#): > > uhh… wut > > actually where do you think titans can go LOLcakes. You’re cute 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nujenif_talvanen/32/433113_2.png) [@Nujenif\_Talvanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nujenif_Talvanen)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/22 "2022-11-29T03:11:23Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > You’re cute 😃 I know :3 ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_lord_trump/32/411482_2.png) [@Dark\_Lord\_Trump](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Lord_Trump)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/23 "2022-11-29T03:13:53Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > starting zones needs to be a single region that are within the range of all 4 empires made up from 12-25 starting systems Dunno how I feel about this one. it might be nice to ensure you can group up with your buddies within a few jumps without having to start as a certain race. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > As long as you are in these starting zone regions, the mechanic to attack other players will be disabled No. If someone is ganking new players in starter systems, report them for rookie griefing. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > there needs to be 1 low sec system per starting zone empire you can travel to to try and test out as a new player that only alpha players can access But isn’t all the pvp disabled? What would be the point of lowsec? And why is it limited only to alpha players? > [@Ikshuki](#): > > you can only mine in a starting system up to a venture, the mechanic for mining barges and exhumers will be disabled This would be reasonable if this tripe was getting added. Which it isn’t. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > in career agent missions in starting zones, NPCs won’t blow up your ship, instead it will deplete your HP of your ship to 99% then you’ll be informed your mission has failed, and the NPCs in space will disappear along with the wrecks For specifically the career agents I don’t have a real problem with this. If you fail a career agent mission you must really suck and don’t need the kick in the balls. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > asteroids in starting systems never depletes, but they can explode if more than 2 ships is mining it at the same time over time So basically infinite ore and I can’t shoot you? Sounds like a botter’s paradise. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > NPC stations in starting zones is tax free to sell and buy things, but sell orders is limited to a fixed price to npc buy orders as to not affect player to player economy market, this is limited to both alpha and omega players Or you could have the new player interact with the player market, which they’ll need to understand for the real game. Also you don’t seem to understand what a “sell order” is. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > you can only sell items you have looted within starting systems or is within the skilling limitations to use as a alpha Wait, or? You telling me I can build a bunch of modules that are alpha-usable and dump them on NPCs for guaranteed isk? Congratulations, you just put a price floor on most modules and by extent most minerals. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > any and all public chat rules will be the same as gamewide ToS rulings (recruiting, spam, harassment) Already exists. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > Alphas should be allowed to join any corp and omegas can send private messages as to give new players a feel of the community at a personal level to let them decide if this is the community they want to run with once they move forward beyond the new player phase Already exists. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/24 "2022-11-29T07:52:34Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > war decks are fixed, no wardecks until you anchor a structure See you even admit to knowing exactly how they are broken ---
**Author:** ![Alice\_Saki](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alice_saki/32/486142_2.png) [@Alice\_Saki](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alice_Saki)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/25 "2022-11-29T08:23:39Z")
Pssssttt It’s true Titans are terrible, Use a Super xD ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/26 "2022-11-29T09:55:57Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > starting zones needs to be a single region that are within the range of all 4 empires made up from 12-25 starting systems No, for all the reasons you’re already anticipating but also because of the damage this would do to the economy and how it could be exploited by throw-away alphas to move goods to and from trade hubs without risk. Basically new players don’t benefit from this, wealthy players would. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > As long as you are in these starting zone regions, the mechanic to attack other players will be disabled Nope. CCP have actually done studies on whether ship loss to PvP action drives away new players in the past and it does not (at least not in any statistically significant sense). Some new players may seek to avoid PvP but other new players come to the game specifically for PvP. Removing PvP for new players stifles gameplay and misrepresents the game to those new players. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > there needs to be 1 low sec system per starting zone empire you can travel to to try and test out as a new player that only alpha players can access New players and alpha characters are not the same thing. This doesn’t benefit new players. What you’re actually doing here is setting up new players to get ganked in gate camps by experienced players’ cheap alpha alts. Maybe don’t invite the fish into the barrel if you want to improve their experience. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > you can only mine in a starting system up to a venture, the mechanic for mining barges and exhumers will be disabled This is actually already a thing. It’s been CCP policy to consider established players mining the belts in 1.0 starter systems to be griefing for as long as I can remember (as is ganking those players). > [@Ikshuki](#): > > asteroids in starting systems never depletes, but they can explode if more than 2 ships is mining it at the same time over time OK but only if that ore is worth nothing and is used for nothing. New players need an environment where they can learn to play the game (including having to deal with competition for ores. Someone beating you to a belt of a mining anomaly is legitimate PvP gameplay that every single miner has to deal with, low-key as that may be. Absolutely nobody at all, including a 2 minute old character, needs or benefits from an infinite ore machine. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > in career agent missions in starting zones, NPCs won’t blow up your ship, instead it will deplete your HP of your ship to 99% then you’ll be informed your mission has failed, and the NPCs in space will disappear along with the wrecks Nope. This benefits nobody. Losing ships is the cost of failure and removing that doesn’t help new players at all. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > NPC stations in starting zones is tax free to sell and buy things, but sell orders is limited to a fixed price to npc buy orders as to not affect player to player economy market, this is limited to both alpha and omega players Nope. This isn’t how a free market works and doesn’t benefit anyone. Also a fixed price basically IS A TAX - or technically an opportunity cost, and a great way to screw over the newbies. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > you can only sell items you have looted within starting systems or is within the skilling limitations to use as a alpha The items in the system you’ve designed work against the economy and are basically being given out for free, so to balance this you’d have to limit them to civilian modules, which are pointless. And once again alpha is not the same as newbro. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > Alphas should be allowed to join any corp and omegas can send private messages as to give new players a feel of the community at a personal level to let them decide if this is the community they want to run with once they move forward beyond the new player phase Again, an alpha is not a new player and alphas can join corps unless the players in that corp have decided not to admit alphas. You’ve made some bad assumptions. Primarily that a new player is automatically going to be an alpha character and that an alpha character is going to be a new player. These things are just not true. You’ve also failed to account for how your system could be exploited because of this assumption and you’ve failed to take into account how this special area of space will interact with the rest of the Eve universe. You’ve not considered the way that the magical, infinite no-risk supply you’re promoting is going to devalue the time of the broader playerbase and impact the markets. Basically, you don’t understand the game well enough to be making these kinds of suggestions. Or you’re trolling. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > you didn’t read the whole thing did you? i said there would be a low sec system only accessible by other alphas, meaning, a titan couldn’t one shot noobs being curious about low sec This isn’t really a concern. A titan can’t doomsday in Lowsec and it can’t lock or track a newbiw ship for ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Warbird](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jake_warbird/32/398810_2.png) [@Jake\_Warbird](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jake_Warbird)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/27 "2022-11-29T10:37:53Z")
Back after quite a while and still nothing’s changed lol Also, nope. ---
**Author:** ![Maeltstome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maeltstome/32/341767_2.png) [@Maeltstome](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maeltstome)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/28 "2022-11-29T10:47:24Z")
This must be a troll thread. “Don’t let newbros join a corp”. Like… yea. Eve is a great single player game… ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/29 "2022-11-29T13:01:15Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > in career agent missions in starting zones, NPCs won’t blow up your ship, Your OP basically boils down to “keep new players by showing them a game that isn’t EVE”. And it wouldn’t even work, at that. New players aren’t leaving because they get ganked, or an NPC blows them up. And if they do, they aren’t the kind of players that would stay anyway. “EVE is safe and full of infinite resources” would only set them up for a crashing disappointment as soon as they exited starter zones. One big starter region might be interesting, but it’s unlikely CCP would implement it. (Of course, it’s unlikely CCP will implement _anything_ useful or interesting so that goes without saying, really.) EVE loses most truly new players in the first 3 hours, long before they’ve ever been ganked or blown up by NPCs. The real issue is starting EVE is clumsy and slow, and beyond the AIR intro videos, fairly boring. It doesn’t really convey the potential long-term interests of EVE. CCP would be better off warning new players they were about to head out into a dangerous and threatening environment, one where drones and pirates and mercenaries would eat them alive if they weren’t careful. And then give them some missions and scenarios showing them how and where they might be attacked and what to do about it. They’d lose all the players who wouldn’t stick anyway, and keep some of the more adventurous ones who would otherwise quit from boredom. And it would work better than wrapping them in candy floss and removing all the sharp corners in the room and pretending that was EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Etch\_Masuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/etch_masuka/32/468743_2.png) [@Etch\_Masuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Etch_Masuka)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/30 "2022-11-29T14:56:44Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Your OP basically boils down to “keep new players by showing them a game that isn’t EVE”. Amen. It’s an elaborate bait and switch which will ultimately damage player retention. If you want to retain new players you don’t train them to expect complete safety only to pull the rug out from under them. ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/31 "2022-11-29T19:23:55Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > EVE loses most truly new players in the first 3 hours Underrated post, and this is the most important part. I loved it when CCP announced working on the NPE and it’s better than it was, but I can’t escape the feeling that it’s a missed opportunity and should have been done way differently Combining both the tutorial and the career agent stuff into one “simulated clone space” where people can look at different ship types/sizes/roles, take part in actually different scenarios. And then be able to return to that simulated space to try out new things, just dock up at your nearest AIR station and “plug in”: open to everyone, at all times. You want to entice a new Minmatar pilot to keep playing? Don’t have him pewpew small stuff in his shitty gatling Reaper but put him at the helm of a 1400 Mealstrom and clap some fools in a simulated (orchestrated but not on rails) fight. Have them mine their own minerals to then build their own barge and mining lasers to then go use them (accelerated ofc). Have them do a fast courier gig in an intie, give a miner control over an Orca, Abaddons with mega pulses, put them in a raven with 200km Cruises and blow ■■■■ up, Magathron with neutrons, give them the option to do a bombing run in a stealth bomber with cloaking and all (in fact, I firmly believe that if you even SHOW newbies the whole cloaking thing you’d get SO much more people to hang around). Missed Opportunity ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/32 "2022-11-29T19:26:47Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > starting zones needs to be a single region that are within the range of all 4 empires made up from 12-25 starting systems Turn Uedama into a SafeZone? 🤣🤣🤣 > [@Ikshuki](#): > > As long as you are in these starting zone regions, the mechanic to attack other players will be disabled New players need to experience PvP early to build proper expectations. The goal isn’t to simply keep them through the tutorial, rather for years. Otherwise it’s a moot point. > [@Ikshuki](#): > > there needs to be 1 low sec system per starting zone empire you can travel to to try and test out as a new player that only alpha players can access What about the new players that sub? Not to mention if there was any content to be had it’d be overrun with alts wanting in on the fun. Also, again, setting improper expectations ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/33 "2022-11-29T19:28:32Z")
> [@Ikshuki](#): > > As long as you are in these starting zone regions, the mechanic to attack other players will be disabled ![No](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/1/b11c1ad77e0a9d20af0cb3002a8fa81f6b68d71a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/34 "2022-11-29T20:06:20Z")
noob don’t know how to PvP? no problem put 2 noobs to fight eachother noob thunderdome ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/35 "2022-11-29T20:09:41Z")
> [@Etch\_Masuka](#): > > Amen. It’s an elaborate bait and switch which will ultimately damage player retention. > > If you want to retain new players you don’t train them to expect complete safety only to pull the rug out from under them. Hey your back 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Smith111111](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/john_smith111111/32/344703_2.png) [@John\_Smith111111](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/John_Smith111111)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/36 "2022-11-29T20:44:19Z")
war decs were never broken ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/38 "2022-11-29T21:27:19Z")
Pretty much agree. The answer isn’t to remove PvP from high sec but CCP have spent a long time protecting the egos of a particular breed of sociopathic player that talk a big hardcore PvP game but only ever undock to punch down. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/39 "2022-11-29T21:49:09Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > As CCP have pointed out though is that PvP is too overbearing, seems to have no reason, seems to be inescapable, sets the player back or occurs too early, it can have the opposite effect. Gankers have spent years going after rookies and literally telling people to quit if they don’t like being fodder for veterans. It’s no surprise that the end result is a lack of retention. Citation needed LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A game where it’s widely known that a small number of people farm thousands of new and inexperienced players is always going to struggle to bring in new players. Citation needed ROFL. You realize in the past you’ve also said ganking isn’t a huge problem right? And with the recent nerf even less so. > [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > Pretty much agree. The answer isn’t to remove PvP from high sec but CCP have spent a long time protecting the egos of a particular breed of sociopathic player that talk a big hardcore PvP game but only ever undock to punch down. Huh. That’s a neat unfounded sight unseen medical diagnosis you got there 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/41 "2022-11-29T21:54:13Z")
> [@Brun\_Warbear](#): > > only ever undock to punch down. said the guy that lost a half a billion heavy interdictor to a jackdaw and killed a destroyer using a multi billion pimped Leshak 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-could-keep-new-players-longer/386366/42 "2022-11-29T22:00:28Z")
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