# How CCP screwed over half the participants in the Triglavian Invasions Chapter 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Issues\ **Created:** [October 17, 2020, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170 "2020-10-17T09:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/43 "2021-02-18T19:01:02Z")
At least the Edencom pilots can grieve move on. The pro-trig guys are all stuck in Pochven, grinding standings, hoping for something amazing to happen there. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/44 "2021-02-18T19:24:40Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > At least the Edencom pilots can grieve move on. If we could just do the “shoot one drone to opt out” thing, at this point I’d be happy with it, to be honest. It’s not so much what the rewards are. It’s the principle of it; if you run a two-sided event with a known outcome that favors one side, you don’t then just punish the other for existing. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2021, 10:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/45 "2021-02-22T10:59:24Z")
Resetting all negative trig standings to 0 but keep the positive would have been a minimal solution, and maybe still is. CCP missed the opportunity hard when they reset the drone exploit. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 11:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/46 "2021-04-20T11:49:41Z")
Six months since the OP. Not only is the Edencom situation the exact same as it was, but also _everything else_ on the story seems to have been simply dropped. Before Chapter 3 a huge hype was built up about finding out more about the Triglavians, how they tie up to the EVE universe / drifters / drones, and how CCP supposedly had strong lore on this only waiting for to be published. Devs have kept on hinting about “knowing something about the Triglavians” that players don’t as response to e.g. complaints like the one in this original post, but nothing whatsoever has been released. Assuming that’s not just a ruse but that something more actually exists, whatever you are saving that information for, you gotta start asking yourself how long is it worth keeping the current players of your current game starved for lore and content? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/47 "2021-04-20T12:14:45Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > not just a ruse It is usually referred to as “hype” not “ruse” - and there is no reason to think there is anything else to the story arc. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/48 "2021-04-20T12:14:48Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/e/0/fe072eb335892eea99687d4835eef8463497bebd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2021, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/49 "2021-04-20T12:46:27Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > It is usually referred to as “hype” not “ruse” There’s hype and then there’s hype that’s a ruse. Line between the two might be blurred at times but it still exists. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/50 "2021-04-21T13:04:08Z")
I kind of doubt this was a grand scheme of CCP to punish players that aided Edencom. I tend to think it was more just a lack of planning/ foresight for what eventually happened. That said, I could be wrong. So much of EVE is centered on griefing and some people are really that good at it. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/51 "2021-04-21T13:06:26Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > I kind of doubt this was a grand scheme of CCP to punish players that aided Edencom. I tend to think it was more just a lack of planning/ foresight for what eventually happened. To be clear, I don’t think that was the case, either. It sure sometimes _feels_ like it, when the situation remains unaddressed (not even one visible “we hear you” as response to this thread or similar attempts to reach out elsewhere in _six months_ kind of makes it difficult to have warm and fuzzy feelings about it), but no, I don’t think it was intended myself. ---
**Author:** ![Renly\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/renly_rohan/32/402846_2.png) [@Renly\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Renly_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/52 "2021-04-21T13:10:26Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > It sure sometimes _feels_ like it, when the situation remains unaddressed (not even one visible “we hear you” as response to this thread or similar attempts to reach out elsewhere in _six months_ On the other hand, that situation adds a bit more credence to the idea it was intentional…just a bit more. It could however also be out of utter embarassment for not foreseeing the issue…as well as embarassment for not being able to think of/implement a satisfactory solution. In fact, I tend to think no one even realized there was a problem, but I have to agree with you that there is. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2021, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/53 "2021-04-21T13:13:43Z")
> [@Renly\_Rohan](#): > > I tend to think no one even realized there was a problem Originally I believe they did not just realize (as bizarre as it might sound, I have reasons to believe CCP did not seriously expect a pro-Edencom faction to _exist_, when they started Chapter 3), but because Reasons™ I am 100% certain that for months now there is no way for CCP to claim they are not aware of the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/54 "2021-04-22T15:10:29Z")
I guess in CCP’s world, if you don’t officially acknowledge that there is a problem, then there really isn’t any problem.🤔 “Move along; there’s nothing to see here.” “But officer, it appears that someone’s standings and rewards just got murdered!” “Move along or I’ll charge you with something” ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/55 "2021-04-22T17:44:57Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > if you don’t officially acknowledge that there is a problem, then there really isn’t any problem Sounds like all governments… which is especially funny considering a certain country is governed by a different CCP. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/56 "2021-04-22T22:54:47Z")
CCP created an event with **lasting** effects based on the **player’s choice**. Sure, some people got screwed because of the choices they made… but I’m not blaming CCP for it. They created an event where players could make a choice that had actual lasting effects on the game. Isn’t that what players have been asking for? Do I think they might need to ease the standing requirements for Pochven? Yeah, probably. Or maybe come up with a **slightly** easier way for people to get access. But I’m not going to ■■■■ on them for giving us what we asked for… and then people not liking the outcome they **chose**. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/57 "2021-04-23T00:44:01Z")
For the record: I never requested it. ---
**Author:** ![Specia1\_K](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/specia1_k/32/245286_2.png) [@Specia1\_K](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Specia1_K)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/58 "2021-04-23T03:18:51Z")
I am -4.5 to Trigs. I will never use Pochven. I can live with that choice. I could gank my way to -10 and recover relatively easy, with a hit to my wallet. Even recover my -8 Gallente standings wouldn’t be out of reach. But this standings wall in the stations and gates in Trig space isn’t something I am going to ever tackle. Ever. So, like the others who dutifully fought for Empire space, I receive nothing in the end. CCP abandoned us for our choice to defend the Empires. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 10:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/59 "2021-04-24T10:06:00Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Or maybe come up with a **slightly** easier way for people to get access. But I’m not going to ■■■■ on them for giving us what we asked for… and then people not liking the outcome they **chose**. Choice is only meaningful when you know what the outcomes of each choice are. That said, my point is not at all that Pochven should not exist, or that permanent changes to the game should not have been made. New content is great, involving players in deciding things is great. It’s why we all got involved in Chapter 3, on _both_ sides - we were lured in by the promise of it mattering and of being part of the story. Rewarding players who get involved by shutting them out of any new content is where it goes wrong. If the idea is that we should have known from the beginning that only protrigs will get continuation content, think of what that will do for any _future_ events of this kind - instead of choosing a side, should we all be guessing which side is the ‘correct’ choice if you want to be involved not only in the event but what comes after, and flock in to that? Would that have made a fun Chapter3, every player interested in the event on the trig side, with little to no opposition? ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/60 "2021-04-25T16:48:25Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Choice is only meaningful when you know what the outcomes of each choice are. Umm… no. Yes, in most video games you know the outcome of each choice you make; but most video games are not like Eve Online. In real life, I don’t know the outcome of each choice I make. Do I know if the girl I’m about to shag is going to get pregnant? Nope. Sure, I can manipulate the chances via birth control; but, no… I don’t know the outcome. If I take that promotion at work or take a new job, will it work out? Nope. We all know plenty of people who took a promotion or a new job and ended up hating it so much that they wished they could go back to their old job. Your premise is flawed. > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Rewarding players who get involved by shutting them out of any new content is where it goes wrong. Just because you fought for something doesn’t mean you get what you wanted. Ask any country that’s been in a war. Just because you fight for something doesn’t mean you get rewarded for it. Again, your premise is flawed. > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > If the idea is that we should have known from the beginning that only protrigs will get continuation content, think of what that will do for any _future_ events of this kind - instead of choosing a side, should we all be guessing which side is the ‘correct’ choice if you want to be involved not only in the event but what comes after, and flock in to that? Another flawed premise. We don’t know what would have happened if the EDENCOM players had successfully won the invasion. Some players **speculate** the invasion would have continued until the 27 systems fell. But we don’t know that for certain… some players **speculate** that if EDENCOM had won the status quo would have been maintained and abyssals would have remained the only Trig content. But we don’t know. > [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Would that have made a fun Chapter3, every player interested in the event on the trig side, with little to no opposition? This question is based off of your **flawed** premises. I’ll concede they probably do need to do something to make entrance into Pochven easier. Maybe use the old corp standing, but put more weight on people in the corp in certain roles so they can carry new Pochven players in. I’m not 100% sure on the solution, if I had one, I’d present it. Here’s what I know isn’t going to fix it: complaining about it. I think the Trig invasion angle was so interesting **because** no one knew what the end results were going to be. If you want games where you can look ahead to see the end results of your choices, there are tons of games out there that have that. But those games aren’t nearly as interesting to me as Eve Online. Make your choices, live with the consequences… just like the potential consequences of shagging some girl. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/61 "2021-04-25T17:31:26Z")
A real life comparison is not appropriate here IMO, because video games are a caricature of real life emphasizing a positive feedback for as much players as possible. Especially if we are talking about scripted events. BTW, we know what would have happened if Edi was more successful. Just look at Serenity. Liminality systems would have just been forced in. ---
**Author:** ![Siegfried\_Tahl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/siegfried_tahl/32/377209_2.png) [@Siegfried\_Tahl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Siegfried_Tahl)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 5:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170/62 "2021-04-25T17:46:40Z")
Rationalize it how ever you want, the fact is CCP **admittedly** did not anticipate people siding with Edencom and just did not design anything for that case. Abandoned the whole thing after Poch release. They’re boasing their Friendship machine, how Eve is training people resilience. But what they did in Chapter 3 is an experiment in learned helplessness. It’s a game, not a job. Job is mostly extrinsically motivated, you may hate your job and still do it for the money. Playing games is mostly intrinsically motivated behavior, if a game punishes you for autonomy and competence, which it did in Chapter 3, it destroys intrinsic motivation. They shouldn’t be surprised people quitting. They should make a devblog how Eve was a clinical depression machine this time. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-ccp-screwed-over-half-the-participants-in-the-triglavian-invasions-chapter-3/274170.md?page=4)