# How do I Convince my Friend to Play a 20 Year Old MMO? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 3, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332 "2023-05-03T14:36:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![C-Kat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/c-kat/32/374268_2.png) [@C-Kat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/C-Kat)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 7:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/41 "2023-06-11T07:22:39Z")
Thank you, I am pleased to see that you, dear carebear, always get out of your hole to meet with other people to try and bring them down. I cant imagine why I said not to bring new guys in this acid pit. Have a nice day, and make sure you kill as many new guys you can this week so that you can brag about it to your besties. :\* ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/42 "2023-06-11T16:44:59Z")
> [@C-Kat](#): > > B) No matter what anybody says- you wont be flying ships you see on ads or in tutorials, FOR MONTHS or Years of constantly paying the game. Simply not true. If you _focus_ your skill points you can be flying some pretty impressive ships within 6 weeks or so. You can also take advantage of augmentations and boosters to speed up the skills process. My new Omega is getting into big ships _way_ faster than this account ever did, as I tended to just splash skills all over the place in this account whereas the new account is very focused. The real problem is getting this across to noobs. > [@C-Kat](#): > > D) If he do come to the game- he will have to work for days, just to replace that one ship he lost( for whatever reason). Meh. My 750 DPS Mega Laser Gnosis costs about 1/6 of the price of a pint of beer ( and can be skilled for in a few weeks ). > [@C-Kat](#): > > F)He must get into a huge corp. where he will be a good little worker bee for profit of someone else. You don’t have to do one thing _or_ the other in Eve. You can do both. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/43 "2023-06-12T15:04:12Z")
Hello @C-Kat. Welcome to the forums. I hope I don’t sound argumentative when I say that your experience with EvE is different than mine. > [@C-Kat](#): > > A) No matter what anybody says- you wont enjoy this game if you do not pay for it. 20 Euros per month. Paying for the subscription does open up more options, but I had fun with faction warfare on an alpha alt. > [@C-Kat](#): > > B) No matter what anybody says- you wont be flying ships you see on ads or in tutorials, FOR MONTHS or Years of constantly paying the game. Well this depends. Some of the advanced ships do take time and training (a strategic cruiser, marauder, or capital ship will take a long time to skill into). But one can do a lot with a t1 ship. EvE is very different than most MMO’s in the sense that frigates do not become obsolete. If a new player that gets the 1 million skill point referral and finishes the career agents, will get a small fleet of ships and will be able to fly them right away. > [@C-Kat](#): > > C) No matter what anybody says- DO NOT let him come here on forums! Ever. > You would not bring your women on first date into a crack house, so do not bring him here. I have learned much from reading other people’s posts. I think the forum is helpful. Certainly not a “crack house”. > [@C-Kat](#): > > D) If he do come to the game- he will have to work for days, just to replace that one ship he lost( for whatever reason). EvE is the different than many other MMO’s in that when one loses a ship, it is lost, it does not just respawn. But if a new player completes their career agent missions, they will receive many good ships as rewards for completing the missions. I would caution new players to stick with frigates though, until they have an income stream large enough to make losing frigates trivial. “Don’t fly what you can’t afford to lose” is a good rule of thumb. > [@C-Kat](#): > > E) tell him that his skills DO NOT MATTER. Only “skill points” matter. In other words- how long do you pay- that is how good you are. This is just flat out wrong. There are many “soft skills” that a player needs to learn that will make them much better players. A player with maxed out frigate skills in a faction frigate is going to die if they fly straight into an artillery armed battleship. A player with half the skill points in a t1 frigate, but knows how to manually pilot the ship and zig-zag toward the battleship will be able to get in close and get the tackle off. > [@C-Kat](#): > > F)He must get into a huge corp. where he will be a good little worker bee for profit of someone else. I have spent most of my time in EvE in a small corp that is just me and some friends. I have been in a largish null sec alliance as well, but the most fun I’ve had in the game was in small corps of friends. If you don’t want to join a large corp, start out on your own, or join a small corp. EvE is a sand box, and how you want to play the game is up to you. > [@C-Kat](#): > > G) And you wonder why he does not want to play this game. EvE is a niche game. My son once expressed interest in playing the game, but he did not like it, and went back to first person shooters. Thousands of people do like EvE however. To each their own. I hope you find your niche in the game @C-Kat. From your post it sounds like you have not found it yet. If you want to play EvE, but feel burnt out try doing something new. There are many different playstyles and many good youtube videos out there that can help you get started. I’ve been many things in EvE, but I have never been an explorer. I am just learning how to do this, a total newbie again. Good luck @C-Kat! I hope you find your spot in the sun. (edited to fix a problem with a quote) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/44 "2023-06-12T16:43:18Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Well this depends. Some of the advanced ships do take time and training (a strategic cruiser, marauder, or capital ship will take a long time to skill into). But one can do a lot with a t1 ship. I came across an article highlighting the Brutix as one of the ‘top 10 ships’ of Eve. And indeed, fitted with Heavy Neutron Blasters I can get one to 860 DPS…and even an impressive 500 DPS and 11km optimal range with Null. But…then I compared with my Heavy Pulse Laser Gnosis which can do 500 DPS damage at 25km with Scorch, so over twice the range, has 15K more EHP, _far_ less align time, and does higher drone damage…and I do wonder if people aren’t often aiming for ships that ostensibly _look_ fancier when they can actually squeeze better out of more basic ships. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/45 "2023-06-12T23:34:26Z")
Eve Online is basically Dungeons and Dragons but space based. If your friend loves creating characters training skills and buying ships, Eve Online is for her or him. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/46 "2023-06-13T01:07:23Z")
Had noone in this thread not mentioned Roleplay? Tell your friend that there all sorts of roleplay in New Eden and that it is up to them to force their our path. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 6:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/47 "2023-06-13T06:57:45Z")
Tell your friend we have cat ears and cowboy hats. (By the time he has lost his first ship he will have forgotten all about those) ---
**Author:** ![Roland\_Schlosser](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/roland_schlosser/32/392001_2.png) [@Roland\_Schlosser](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Roland_Schlosser)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/48 "2023-06-24T23:33:33Z")
You don’t “catch up”, you just start playing. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-convince-my-friend-to-play-a-20-year-old-mmo/404332/49 "2023-09-22T23:33:43Z")
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