# How do I prevent my orca getting ganked? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 16, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727 "2022-10-16T14:15:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/88 "2022-10-16T23:26:35Z")
Right, but your gunboat diplomacy is not working, and you need to make peace. A first step would be to stop attacking people - right? ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/89 "2022-10-16T23:29:25Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > > Welcome to Eve, where everyone (who is in local in system, and local in adjacent systems) is a threat no matter what space you are in. > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/5/6/756e1cecdadb183d654a7b440ca2020825bf70ce.png) You’re just re-stating your reading comprehension issues. ---
**Author:** ![x123xxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/x123xxx/32/247890_2.png) [@x123xxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/x123xxx)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/90 "2022-10-16T23:53:53Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > A first step would be to stop attacking people - right? Practice what you preach son. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/91 "2022-10-17T00:35:12Z")
If you choose to invade Highsec, and steal ice and ore, then you should expect the defense fleet to evict you. So to answer your question, if you want to avoid being ganked, you will need to negotiate for mining rights. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/92 "2022-10-17T00:35:44Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Imagine what would happen if mining came to a screeching halt. It becomes worthwhile for people like me to consider taking up any slack in the market by removing the dust covers from our mining vessels and alt accounts; we tend to have sizable stockpiles of ores and minerals too ---
**Author:** ![Donald\_J\_Spock](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donald_j_spock/32/336534_2.png) [@Donald\_J\_Spock](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donald_J_Spock)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/93 "2022-10-17T00:38:31Z")
Stand with @HateLesS and demand a pvp free highsec that all players deserve. Save EVE and say no to bullying and griefing. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Is\_Elite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_is_elite/32/338504_2.png) [@Arya\_Is\_Elite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Is_Elite)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/94 "2022-10-17T00:46:31Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/d/6/7d6de4704641f0afd9988bb701359deed742afc4.jpeg) I have a quote for you: “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” ― Sun Tzu, [The Art of War](https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/3200649) Hateless was subdued and he didn’t fight, I guess that counts 🤣 maybe only the eevol gwankers have been reading the holy book ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/95 "2022-10-17T01:04:45Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Sounds like a threat/harassment. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/0/d/b0d337b337d9dd231345409e55ef73540452ca1c.gif) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/8/d/8d09fd71431666fd35fa36d5982ce565c8389b87.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/96 "2022-10-17T01:21:38Z")
> [@Arya\_Is\_Elite](#): > > “The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” Fightless? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/97 "2022-10-17T02:36:39Z")
Um no. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/98 "2022-10-17T02:38:13Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > what would happen if mining came to a screeching halt. Mining would not come to a halt. Gankers are miners too. Competition eliminating is what gankers are doing. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/99 "2022-10-17T04:53:14Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Gankers are miners too. Quoted for emphasis. Many gankers have a far broader engagement with the game than folks like x123xxx are willing to admit. ---
**Author:** ![Skyla\_Amarr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/skyla_amarr/32/392813_2.png) [@Skyla\_Amarr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Skyla_Amarr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/100 "2022-10-17T05:28:18Z")
On the off chance that would actually happen, I’d self destruct. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/101 "2022-10-17T05:28:53Z")
> [@x123xxx](#): > > Sounds like a threat/harassment. How so? Everything he is saying completely happens within game bounds and rules. Cry moar tho 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > Great idea, why don’t we all quit? You first 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > You’re no threat to me. Well you’re hiding behind an alt so 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > Imagine what would happen if mining came to a screeching halt. It won’t 😃 > [@x123xxx](#): > > **The use or threat of military force to advance foreign policy objectives** became known as “gunboat diplomacy.” Yennoe we’re playing a vidya game right? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 5:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/102 "2022-10-17T05:43:10Z")
> [@Essara-Ta](#): > > Any suggestions? Sure - Get a mining permit from your local New Order Agent - Stay aligned or use MWD cycle to align (takes only 1 cycle) - Tank your ship - Get a mining permit - Pump your own Orca out of range when the gankers land (after they engage so they lose their ships) - Have a logi on standby - Get a mining permit - Have tank increasing stuff they can’t scan, like implants and boosters - Run tank boosts - prespawn CONCORD on grid - Get a mining permit - Ask your friendly local New Order Agent for additional advice, ask if you are allowed to mine there and generally follow their orders. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/103 "2022-10-17T07:24:22Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > You can thank HateLesS Gaming for that No we can’t. Ganker are using the hatless thing as an excuse to gank orcas that’s all. “oh look what Hateless made me do” pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/104 "2022-10-17T07:26:58Z")
> [@Essara-Ta](#): > > Any suggestions? A couple of things: **Current Orca ganking campaign** With the current ganking campaign in response to Hateless’s ■■■■■■■■, Vengeful Hawk (and alts) don’t gank 24/7, nor does he gank right across highsec. In terms of when he is ganking, it’s EU/US time, so if you are outside his specific gank window, then you have a huge safety advantage in an Orca just because it’s an Orca: ![vengeful_hawk](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/a/0/ca0690bbcf2ee8612b15f8c07b4f9f6b9775bad8.png) Additionally, as he doesn’t gank right across highsec, these (and surrounding) systems are generally the ones to stay away from at the moment: ![vengeful_hawk_systems](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/7/6/57654fac1833f92434b0bd37076e40031f28fedc.png) If you can play outside his playtime and/or play in areas of highsec that he doesn’t operate in, then your chances of being on the ganked list are very low. There’s good reason why he ganks in those systems. It where a lot of people mine, because they want only a short haul to market. It’s a perfectly valid choice for them, but exposes them to greater risk. If you are ok with a slightly longer haul to market, or have industry set up a bit away from Jita, etc., then you can not only lower your risk, but also have less competition from other miners. **General approaches** - find a [dead-end or pipe system](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/one-way-to-balance-high-security-space/377999/372) and protect yourself with an alt as eyes - don’t mine AFK - don’t just mine at the warp in point to a belt (cloaky ships won’t be affected by this, but otherwise you’ll have plenty of notice of a gank scout moving towards you - fit tank so it takes as many gank alts to kill you as possible (that will be a deterrent to many ganks) - I would personally just go for max yield and not worry about tank, but if you want to minimise all risk, or expect to have times where you’ll be AFK, then fitting tank helps Just taking the first 2 of those points will make you virtually ungankable in a practical sense. No matter if a ganker wants to target you, you’ll be gone and not vulnerable well before the gank ships are even in system. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/105 "2022-10-17T07:27:41Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Ganker are using the hatless thing as an excuse to gank orcas that’s all. > > “oh look what Hateless made me do” pathetic. While I may agree with you, what’s really pathetic is the large amount of troll replies derailing this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/106 "2022-10-17T07:30:06Z")
What’s really pathetic is how little the antigankers have done to stop me. I am truly invincible. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2022, 7:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727/107 "2022-10-17T07:38:08Z")
I know, my threads now get auto moved to C&P, I’m sure this will follow. Maybe it save labour But to keep on track mine with a team, work together and make it hard for them. Our Abyss runners often run in groups with cover provided. Not sure if we would survive a full gank but they would have to plan it much better to achieve anything other than killing a ship. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-i-prevent-my-orca-getting-ganked/380727.md?page=6)