# How do you define ganking, pvp and trolling **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827 "2024-03-05T00:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Monte\_Franzese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monte_franzese/32/414231_2.png) [@Monte\_Franzese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monte_Franzese)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/445 "2024-03-26T09:57:40Z")
> It was exhausting, always playing catch-up Just like in real-life! Criminals playing tag with police. I’ve said it before and saying it again. We are just better at the game. More cunning, more everything. > ganking ain’t your run-of-the-mill PvP. It’s sneaky, it’s underhanded, and it’s all about bending the rules to get what you want. Exactly! That’s what the outlaw life in New Eden is all about! Sir. You’ve got it! This is what makes in **fun**. And fun is what we want from a video game right? It’s also the the aspect that creates one of the top content for us players. And tbh. Everyone in all aspects of Eve pvp bend the rules. Like i listed. Market, mining… Whatever it is. Well not everyone but those who play play the game instead of drift with it not taking control of their gameplay. Thus market tycoons for example are trillionaires. > **[Pirate | EVE Academy | EVE Online](https://www.eveonline.com/eve-academy/careers/soldier-of-fortune/pirate)** > > Pirate Capsuleers are infamous across every corner of New Eden for their ruthlessness and craving for combat and good fights, prowling space in search of targets to ambush and destroy – taking whatever they want from their smoldering wrecks. Pirates... _Scroll to the Pirate part_ 👇 > **[Capsuleers](https://universe.eveonline.com/lore/capsuleers#pirate)** > > Introduction A little over 120 years ago, an elusive and radically advanced culture of genetic manipulators gifted a small megacorporation with the blueprint for a piece of technology that was to radically change the course of history. For a small... > offers got sweeter than Zaera Keena,s pancakes. 🤣 Well said sir haha goddamnit. > those guys were straight-up evil, banned-for-life material. I don’t judge before i see it myself but i trust you with this one. And i 50-80% agree. Role-playing pirate that spits on citizens of New-Eden is fine. Out of character being legit bully bad person and manifesting it in a video game isn’t fine. But this applies to everyone, anti-gank unit, gankers, miners. Everyone. For some reason our community just likes to combine the two: gankers = assholes. There are plenty of gankers with some actual agenda behind it, targeting someone or something in aims of creating content aka political means. Not ‘just because’ i can. To add: There are others than just Aiko and Safety. or CODE. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/446 "2024-03-26T09:57:40Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > Maybe it’s time to dust off the old blaster and jump back into the fray. Just do it. I recently saw HigSecGuardians several times in Uedama keeping the trade route clear for hours, having multiple RR-ships on the gates. Local looked all red 'n blue to me. No ship ganked while I was there, so it seems to work. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/447 "2024-03-26T10:01:59Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Just do it. I recently saw HigSecGuardians indeed i saw them too and have been thinking the same > [@Monte\_Franzese](#): > > There are others than just Aiko and Safety. or CODE. yes but it all started with James315 with many of the groups today following their ancestry back to James315 and that group ---
**Author:** ![Monte\_Franzese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monte_franzese/32/414231_2.png) [@Monte\_Franzese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monte_Franzese)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/448 "2024-03-26T10:03:05Z")
See! Now this is wholesome. Eve needs more of this right here. Gankers and anti-gankers playing together to create the criminals vs police content for all of us. We should just somehow get rid of the misunderstandings that goes with ganking. And we should get rid of the toxicity but that’s never going to happen. I’ve always seen “the problem” being players enabling ganking to be that fun and profitable. If there was no auto-piloting shuttles with 500.000.000 ISK in their cargo or freighters with 50 billion ISK loads on them and miners who actually use contacts, local, align and aren’t afk there would be no ganking. I believe the absoulute best anti-gank measure the gank opposing players can take is to strike at the root cause and educate players. There isn’t any other way. ---
**Author:** ![Monte\_Franzese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monte_franzese/32/414231_2.png) [@Monte\_Franzese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monte_Franzese)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/449 "2024-03-26T10:08:03Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > yes but it all started with James315 with many of the groups today following their ancestry back to James315 and that group There are RIOT, Wrecking Machine, Blackflag… To name a few. There are alliances that gank their own members even. There are so many gankers that do it for some actual meaning behind it and to achieve something bigger than just tears. All these players who oppose ganking just feed the fire with everything they say and do. What is exactly what these players want. And they just keep winning and winning. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/450 "2024-03-26T10:13:14Z")
yes i know , even one group that only ganks bot freighters from null. > [@Monte\_Franzese](#): > > There are RIOT, Wrecking Machine, Blackflag yes but before the war changes the merc scene was very different > [@Monte\_Franzese](#): > > And they just keep winning and winning. no they don’t , we had lots of wins in the past , why do you think they spend isk and time trying to stop us. But your right its all good for the game , what ever side your on ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/451 "2024-03-26T10:13:16Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/c/0/cc0c214716525b28398f014ea2836a641ae77305.jpeg) ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/6/a5646ee62601ee07e259081309ddb8696b58fbf6.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/452 "2024-03-26T10:30:51Z")
> **[Catalyst | Aiko Danuja | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/90906466/)** > > Aiko Danuja (Krigmakt) lost their Catalyst in Uedama (The Citadel). Final Blow by Jammin All Day (We Jammin) flying in a Thrasher. Total Value: 15,957,321.49 ISK we all lose ships , but keeping concord of the km is hard to do ---
**Author:** ![Monte\_Franzese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monte_franzese/32/414231_2.png) [@Monte\_Franzese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monte_Franzese)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/453 "2024-03-26T10:33:03Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > yes but before the war changes the merc scene was very different This! Can’t emphasis enough. The structure/wardeccing mechanics aren’t optimal in it’s current state. Not delving into reasons we probably all know. There was a good topic about this actually recently. ---
**Author:** ![Monte\_Franzese](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/monte_franzese/32/414231_2.png) [@Monte\_Franzese](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Monte_Franzese)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/454 "2024-03-26T10:45:17Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > what ever side your on I’m very hard trying to be on our, players side. Understand all parties and see the pov of each. This will side track badly but f it: This famous “content” is what matters me the most, because without or without undersranding what it actually is in Eve-Online, players end up grinding pve that only goes so far and end up burning out and or quitting. Eve is so weird game. There are no winners. Gank/anti-gank will never stop. This game is a goddamn life simulator where we “live” in New-Eden that has criminals and enforcers. 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 10:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/455 "2024-03-26T10:45:34Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > we all lose ships Took 4 of you to take her down. Even used a blackbird incase she killed you all. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/6/a5646ee62601ee07e259081309ddb8696b58fbf6.gif) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/5/6/a5646ee62601ee07e259081309ddb8696b58fbf6.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/456 "2024-03-26T11:34:11Z")
> [@Monte\_Franzese](#): > > So why do we keep on ranting about this all mighty evil **ganking**? Because there are people out there whose entire life is shattered, they can no longer cope with work, their wife leaves, the dog runs away, and the entire universe becomes a meaningless nihilistic void in which the only thing left to do is wander down the street shouting at the lamp posts…all because they lost 69 pence worth of mining barge. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/457 "2024-03-26T11:44:56Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Took 4 of you to take her down That sounds a lot like using the ganker’s tactics against them. I’ve seen a lot of excessive force used by gankers in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/458 "2024-03-26T11:51:21Z")
> [@Githany\_Red](#): > > concord Use an Oracle, you can pop 3-4 cats before CONCORD even shows up. 2-3 in a Zealot/Absolution/Legion if you want more tank. Lasers are the perfect choice to cleanse evil with fire. ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/459 "2024-03-26T11:51:53Z")
Btw don’t use that gif again it’s not your style , I expect better of you ---
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 12:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/460 "2024-03-26T12:00:32Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Use an Oracle, Yes I have an alt that’s max trained in in combat , your right I can get 3 or 4 cats if my target planning is right you have 4 of these and the gankers have to up their game Only down side was getting the range right for max damage ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/461 "2024-03-26T20:56:21Z")
How do you define ganking, pvp and trolling ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/462 "2024-03-26T20:59:09Z")
I wouldn’t bother asking @Githany_Red , as an anti ganker, she is irrelevant. > [@Githany\_Red](#): > > I can get 3 or 4 cats if my target planning is right Sure you can sweetie, in your dreams. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/463 "2024-03-26T21:04:56Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > in your dreams. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Catalysts sadly aren’t known for their tank, but surely you know that. I could probably take down a Cata in a cruiser, assuming it doesn’t have buddies. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/464 "2024-03-26T21:05:50Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > assuming it doesn’t have buddies. it does and you can’t. With confident regards -James Fuchs [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=24)