# How do you define ganking, pvp and trolling **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827 "2024-03-05T00:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Githany\_Red](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/githany_red/32/378551_2.png) [@Githany\_Red](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Githany_Red)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/728 "2024-06-15T21:15:26Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > How did I know @Githany_Red would be the heroine in the story? I know I try not to be to gives others a chance , anyway at a music festival with beer and wine , so I should stop talking to you . We had to sit off gate with DPS or he would not engage our tackles and get a weapons timer but he did and died well, other than the salt , He call us the police nobody wanted . ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/729 "2024-06-15T21:19:24Z")
So you tell tall tales on the forums, while at a music festival? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/730 "2024-06-15T21:23:00Z")
Hey, don’t let us get in the way of your amazing party fun. Enjoy the great musical festival with beer and wine, you are having a great time there. Maybe they’ll even throw in a song about all the ganks you have stopped. Though, it may be a short one. With considerate regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/731 "2024-06-15T21:24:22Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > PvP is defined as Player v Player. If they are not not players , what are they? Was already explained above. When only one player actions define the outcome, while the other player has no agency, it becomes pve with a spectator. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/732 "2024-06-15T21:26:11Z")
> [@Placeholder\_Platypus](#): > > > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > > > PvP is defined as Player v Player. If they are not not players , what are they? > > Was already explained above. > > When only one player actions define the outcome, while the other player has no agency, it becomes pve with a spectator. So you are saying that miners are NPCs? With curious regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/733 "2024-06-15T21:30:01Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > As I’ve now said countless times in response to such claims…that is just sheer nonsense. Your side is much more nonsensual. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > PvP for a potential ‘gankee’ starts the minute you undock No, it doesn’t. Nonsense as usual. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > See…there’s all manner of steps one can take. You provide one step, so using plural here is already an attempt to hide the weakness of your argument. That one step is faulty, because it relies on an assumption that I cannot call anything but incredibly stupid, that 100% of the gankers engage on every single gank, and when one group did, no other group is watching the gate. Therefore, you reinforce my point, that the ganking is unavoidable. Thank you. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > You can actually turn it into a great cat and mouse game where you derive pleasure in foiling the gankers. Yes, it is possible to engage in games with the gankers. Little tasteless in my opinion, playing with the stupids, but hey, if that’s your limit, I’m not judging. No, it is not possible to do that and actually haul stuff at the same time. That’s the whole point. ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/734 "2024-06-15T21:31:24Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > So you are saying that miners are NPCs? Please prime all your 3.5 brain cells, that should be enough to tell a difference between an NPC and a spectator. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/735 "2024-06-15T21:35:36Z")
I did, and now I think you are just making a lot of empty statements to sound important. Because if I think really hard about the stuff you say, none of it holds up at all. It’s just mean sounding words to “show up” on the gankers, that’s what I think. I mean, if you’re angry about your loss, I can understand that. I assume you got ganked recently? If you didn’t, I can understand that too, with a mindset like that it is inevitable. Maybe you should start working on aligning your chakras? With positive regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/736 "2024-06-15T21:37:52Z")
> [@Placeholder\_Platypus](#): > > Please prime all your 3.5 brain cells ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/e/c/bec0d4bcd67a6fb814fecb0c3bc50d7614d5860e.gif) James has an IQ over 130, which is quite remarkable for 3.5 braincells don’t you think? ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/737 "2024-06-15T21:38:36Z")
Hey, quality over quantity, that’s what I always say! With proud regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/738 "2024-06-15T21:39:29Z")
> [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > I did, and now I think you are just making a lot of empty statements to sound important. Another one for whom thinking is a foreign concept. > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > Because if I think really hard about the stuff you say, none of it holds up at all. Some heads can’t hold water,. an eastern saying. I’m not surprised yours didn’t hold either. > [@James\_Fuchs](#): > > Maybe you should start working on aligning your chakras? Well, it’s safe to say it’ll never hold water either. You’re one of those people who should always take their assumptions, and assume the exact opposite, you’ll be wrong much less times that way. ---
**Author:** ![James\_Fuchs](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/james_fuchs/32/504955_2.png) [@James\_Fuchs](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/James_Fuchs)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/739 "2024-06-15T21:40:54Z")
Oh ok. I’ll think about it some time. Probably not. With free regards -James Fuchs ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/740 "2024-06-15T21:50:38Z")
> [@Placeholder\_Platypus](#): > > Another one for whom thinking is a foreign concept ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/8/9/a890afd7cf0c10993c7b68d85ea275c2ff651c31.jpeg) I suggest your hold your breath… indefinitely ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/741 "2024-06-15T21:56:42Z")
That picture is a bit too lenient. I mean, it considers them people… ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/742 "2024-06-15T22:04:24Z")
I see where all the hostility comes from ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/e/9/1e99bd090183c15ad41b1459a4cd17d027cb2bee.jpeg) Your org sucked monkeys at PvP ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/b/0/eb02c0ad76223e545f506cb7ca0c72bb5fe307f1.png) ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/743 "2024-06-15T22:21:27Z")
“OMG I pulled 3 random kills from 9 years ago, I’m so smart” 🤡 🤡 🤡 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/744 "2024-06-15T22:30:27Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > I see where all the hostility comes from > [@Placeholder\_Platypus](#): > > “OMG I pulled 3 random kills from 9 years ago, I’m so smart” Looks like someone is still salty about those losses. Good find @Zaera_Keena ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/745 "2024-06-15T22:51:54Z")
Those aint even mine lmao, what a bunch of comedians. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 11:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/746 "2024-06-15T23:10:57Z")
> [@Placeholder\_Platypus](#): > > Those aint even mine Quack, Quack !!! ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/6/4e6521bfdb5be5e593b08223b888192c72f3458c.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Placeholder\_Platypus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/placeholder_platypus/32/373989_2.png) [@Placeholder\_Platypus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Placeholder_Platypus)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/747 "2024-06-16T00:29:50Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Quack, Quack !!! Well just imagine that, a bunch of butthurt clowns come at you with some 9 years old killmails that aint even yours and are like “woo woo!”. It was hilarious at first, gotta admit, but now it’s just cringe. I know you’re stupid, but, for a second, what is even your point? Do you somehow imagine anyone would be mad about some random 9 years old killmails from his corp that aint even his? Are you that desperate or that delusional? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=38)