# How do you define ganking, pvp and trolling **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [March 5, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827 "2024-03-05T00:04:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/82 "2024-03-05T14:08:53Z")
**‘How do you define ganking, pvp and trolling’** I’ve never yet come upon an honest argument with such a title. It is _always_ by someone who does not give a stuff about ‘the’ actual definition of anything but simply wants to play word salad semantics to make the definition be something else. That way they can impose some other argument and argue that something is ‘wrong’. It’s always utterly dishonest and devious. ---
**Author:** ![Nasty\_Shrimp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nasty_shrimp/32/413217_2.png) [@Nasty\_Shrimp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nasty_Shrimp)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/83 "2024-03-05T14:19:16Z")
excatly. He simply wants affirmation that the people that destroyed his stuff are bad persons and he is in the right and should get some pity for being killed. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/84 "2024-03-05T16:06:10Z")
What he needs is a good ganking. Go get him tiger !!! ---
**Author:** ![loki\_energon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_energon/32/444208_2.png) [@loki\_energon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/loki_energon)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/85 "2024-03-05T16:27:36Z")
This is literally the game. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/86 "2024-03-05T21:49:46Z")
> [@Nasty\_Shrimp](#): > > get some pity for being killed. what is youre deal exactly ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/87 "2024-03-05T22:00:46Z")
Gank: When one player (or more) attempts to force an encounter while in an advantageous state. Ex. Gate camping as a group in hopes of insta-scramming a transport ship. PvP: Duels and wardecs. Griefing: When the main goal isn’t to gain ISK or assert territorial control, but to ruin other players’ enjoyment for lulz and salt. Ex. A huge mega Corp wardeccing a, much newer, 20 player Corp with a single T1 upwell in a region they don’t even reside in or go to. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/88 "2024-03-05T22:01:43Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > When the main goal isn’t to gain ISK or assert territorial control, but to ruin other players’ enjoyment for lulz and salt. > > Ex. A huge mega Corp wardeccing thats the turth ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/89 "2024-03-05T22:28:30Z")
> [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > attacking player out of the blue was called pvp not ganking it’s elite endgame PvP ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/90 "2024-03-05T22:32:46Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > to ruin other players’ enjoyment I don’t see anything wrong with this, since it’s the likely outcome of many encounters in EVE. Someone is bound to be _disappointed_; let’s just make sure it’s them rather than us. As for its being the _primary_ motive, I must disagree. For me, and for all those with whom I retain contact in the world of Suddenly-Gankers, the primary motives are Gain and Conquest. The disappointment of the target is of no importance and may, in any case, be mitigated by the studied cultivation of poise, patience and perspicacity. The renowned Dr Gabor Maté has a video somewhere on YouTube where he explains ‘triggers’. In sum, no one _has_ to be triggered. It happens when you engage with the person whose finger is on that trigger. Or something like that… ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/91 "2024-03-05T22:37:43Z")
Shoot every ship you come across that isn’t part of your group. Definitions don’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/92 "2024-03-05T22:40:35Z")
Right, but I didn’t say that was for ganking, I said it was for _griefing_. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/93 "2024-03-05T22:46:00Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > I didn’t say that was for ganking, I said it was for _griefing_. The terms are often conflated. Some folks believe that suicide-ganking is griefing since, they posit, griefing is the primary motive of the ganker. I take your point though, Done25, and I apologise if I’ve misrepresented your comments. I’m sure you’ll brush it off! ---
**Author:** ![Done25](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/done25/32/494511_2.png) [@Done25](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Done25)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/94 "2024-03-05T22:52:52Z")
Mmm, suicide ganking definitely _can_ be done for the sake of grief. Since doing so results in a guaranteed loss of ship and sec status that warrants a fairly valuable/large loot drop to offset. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/95 "2024-03-05T22:55:46Z")
How is that grief? By your logic, everyone who plays a First Person Shooter is a griefer. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/96 "2024-03-05T22:55:55Z")
> [@Done25](#): > > ne for the sake of grief. Since doing so results in a guaranteed loss of ship and sec status t sucide ganker will uaslly use thrasers since they are aimed at weak ships ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/97 "2024-03-05T22:56:35Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > e who plays a First P so you support high sec ganking ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/98 "2024-03-05T22:56:58Z")
> [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > sucide ganker will uaslly use thrasers Wow, you sound like an expert on ganking. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/99 "2024-03-05T22:57:35Z")
> [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > The renowned Dr Gabor Maté has a video somewhere on YouTube where he explains ‘triggers’. In sum, no one _has_ to be triggered. It happens when you engage with the person whose finger is on that trigger. Or something like that… I have goten ganked a lot ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/100 "2024-03-05T22:59:07Z")
Depends on the target. Catalysts, Talos, Coercers, Rocket Corax and Stealth Bombers are also popular ships for the task. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827/101 "2024-03-05T23:02:59Z")
> [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > so you support high sec ganking Don’t be stupid, she is an anti ganker. > [@milkyway\_miner](#): > > I have goten ganked a lot Slow learner [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-define-ganking-pvp-and-trolling/441827.md?page=6)