# How Do You Find Joy? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 18, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030 "2024-10-18T17:14:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/1 "2024-10-18T17:14:23Z")
Some of us like to build while others find pleasure in destruction. But, it’s not black and white, is it? The naysayers will always refer back to, “you consent to combat every time you undock.” The same blokes who call others, “risk adverse” are the very players that risk nothing. A T2 Catalyst will set you back a few mil. The irony is out of this world. But the heart of my question is simple. Does your idea of “fun” REQUIRE that someone else suffer? I know it’s only pixels, but it’s someone else’s pixels! Your true character comes out when no one’s watching. If you’re one of those guys whose sole focus is to cause grief, you might want to do some soul searching. Please don’t use the excuse that you “like to fight.” That you’re some kind of elite warrior. Everyone knows the difference between mutual combat and popping a hauler. At the end of the day, you can chose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Pride. Do you have any? ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/2 "2024-10-18T17:37:07Z")
You know what also is pixels? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/8/1/f813254008a68fcaa825daaf6e384e0972db08ac.png) I enjoy shooting spaceships in this spaceship-shooting game. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/3 "2024-10-18T17:45:40Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Does your idea of “fun” REQUIRE that someone else suffer? No, It never has in this or any other game I have ever played. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/4 "2024-10-18T17:58:21Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Does your idea of “fun” REQUIRE that someone else suffer? The answer is a clear yes when it comes to @Zaera_Keena and @Felix_Frostpacker. 🤔 🤭 😊 🍿 ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/5 "2024-10-18T18:02:58Z")
My enjoyment comes from other people doing stupid stuff. Whether they suffer or not while doing so I can’t discern. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/6 "2024-10-18T18:03:25Z")
i don’t partake in making others “suffer”. my enjoyment is helping people in game for isk. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/7 "2024-10-18T18:08:01Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > The answer is a clear yes when it comes to @Zaera_Keena I’m an angel ![dark angel](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/c/f/7cf4a9a7159de4d1a48d62349785ff71ac347991.jpeg) Frosty is my plaything ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/5/3/0537c6baced44876709c721890dc14e695191cb1.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Spring\_Sky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spring_sky/32/447439_2.png) [@Spring\_Sky](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spring_Sky)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/8 "2024-10-18T18:16:09Z")
Yes, I’m not a true pure ganker but I do consider myself a well rounded industrialist that is a gank enthusiast. I enjoy the hunt, whether it’s high low or null. I think this game is divided into hunter and prey, I enjoy being hunted as well it makes me feel relevant. I don’t have time for poor sportsmanship. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/9 "2024-10-18T18:22:45Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Everyone knows the difference between mutual combat and popping a hauler. Very true Popping hualers is more fun because the hauler pilot is like ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/a/6/3a68c669b356da56f121125d29ea93991fa1ed4d.gif) and PvP is like ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/7/7/d77dff1afc87ae52f622223490a3f97328969995.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/10 "2024-10-18T18:32:36Z")
@Smarter_ThanU I think that’s a tad bit dramatic. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 7:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/11 "2024-10-18T19:07:36Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > A T2 Catalyst will set you back a few mil. Certainly, it will. But in order to reliably gank even a barge you need 3-5 of them plus the cost of each Omega account, that of your Scout/Looter and the replacement modules for those which the Loot Fairy retains. Then there’s the optional cost of maintaining security status above 0 (Clone Soldier Tags), which I’ve used in the past. The Catalysts/Thrashers/Coercers, of course, are gone forever, however worthless financially you deem them to be. > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > But the heart of my question is simple. Does your idea of “fun” REQUIRE that someone else suffer? My answer to your question is ‘No’. I shoot ships, not people. If the pilot of the ship is disappointed with his loss, I care not. I do not know what ‘fun’ is, in this context. I seek only contentment and satisfaction. Shooting ships in EVE is a guarantee of both. My ships also get blown up. If I can take it, why cannot the miserable miner? > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Your true character comes out when no one’s watching. Your true character is easily deduced when you post negligently on a public forum, where _everyone_ is watching. > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > whose sole focus is to cause grief, Again with the side-step. The focus of my game is to blow up ships. Do you consider that your disparaging of my play style might also cause _me_ to grieve? Should you not be searching your own conscience (‘soul’, it is not)? > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Everyone knows the difference between mutual combat and popping a hauler. Of course I do; that’s why CCP has allowed Duels, Limited Engagements - and Ganking in Highsec. All the bases covered, see? > [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > you can chose to be part of the solution or part of the problem. The _solution_ might be to blow up more ships. The problem - and this leads me back to the start - is the astronomical costs. Yeesh! ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/12 "2024-10-18T19:54:48Z")
Joy in EvE Online ? That’s easy: ![itworked](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/f/d/cfd714851f59e9d6cfd79c011a3cbe96cf8ca856.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/13 "2024-10-18T20:13:09Z")
So I build things, and pretend there is no PvP going on. Just wonderful harmony throughout the universe. But since I can out produce and make better profit than someone else, I am in a constant battle with others in the market. I also, help players on how to play EVE, but I do not tell them what market items have a high return that I am exploiting. That has to have a negative effect on someone too lazy to compete. I rent an office, in a good location the rent is very expensive, and that action drives the rental fees even higher. Therefore, someone with less ISK cannot afford to rent there. So if probably hurts their returns, EVE is set in a dys·to·pi·an universe. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/14 "2024-10-18T20:25:41Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Some of us like to build while others find pleasure in destruction. But, it’s not black and white, is it? Yes it is black and white. What are you building _for_ ? Your utter hypocrisy is akin to that of an arms manufacturer bemoaning that there are wars and pretending its nothing to do with them…whilst churning out the very weapons of war. So don’t give us all this ’ I just like to build’ nonsense. The end point of all ‘building’ in Eve is destruction and if you manufacture stuff you are as much a part of that destruction as the guy who hits the F1 key. Without pilots out there causing ‘grief’…_you’d have absolutely nothing to build for_ as no ships would be destroyed and there’d be no market for new ships. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/15 "2024-10-18T20:25:52Z")
Q: `How Do You Find Joy?` A: You run a locator agent on her. > **[Eve Who - Joy](https://evewho.com/character/1174921925)** > > Eve Who - Joy 😉 😏 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/16 "2024-10-18T20:53:50Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/4/0/d409bd4edea8bbd709f6eaca7500da9467e31ce9.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/e/b/6eb278ffa867ac640a20ed1a3891f60cdb377855.png) ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/17 "2024-10-18T20:56:40Z")
@Wadiest_Yong as that answers OP’s question I guess that’s `/thread` then. ISDs might close it. 😇 🍿 :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Darine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rich_darine/32/438327_2.png) [@Rich\_Darine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rich_Darine)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/18 "2024-10-18T21:07:11Z")
I don’t know anymore. Been obsessed with cleaning up MTU’s lately ---
**Author:** ![Verlyn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verlyn/32/435163_2.png) [@Verlyn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verlyn)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/19 "2024-10-18T21:32:32Z")
EvE = Everyone vs Everyone In a land with no rules, you consent being subjected to someone else’s subjective reality at some point in your travels. IE: someone else’s idea of « fun » or « joy ». There is nothing you can do and no moral highground you can take. Take it, as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Smarter\_ThanU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/smarter_thanu/32/436079_2.png) [@Smarter\_ThanU](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Smarter_ThanU)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030/20 "2024-10-18T21:36:42Z")
Many assumptions were made and very little thought was given to most of your answers. If you enjoy blowing up ships so much, why not start a war or go to LS/Null? * * * ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/d/b/4db5543292ad96a49ddbbfb93c980c6f7d906beb.gif) * * * [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-do-you-find-joy/465030.md?page=2)