# How does EVE lore explain miners? **URL:** \ **Category:** EVE Lore Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090 "2019-06-18T19:02:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/1 "2019-06-18T19:02:56Z")
I mean, you go through all this elite highly selective super expensive training, people expect you are gonna become some kind of combat pilot, and then you wind up flying some kind of barge like an SCV in starcraft doing the exact same work that bots do. It’s like going to the Air Force Academy and qualifying for NASA, or so you told your parents, but ultimately you wind up digging ditches in a Louisiana swamp for seven cents an hour… and because you are violating minimum wage laws and fail to get a permit, you are technically a criminal. Parents must be proud of their little capsuleer? ---
**Author:** ![Val\_en\_Thielles](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/val_en_thielles/32/513176_2.png) [@Val\_en\_Thielles](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Val_en_Thielles)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/2 "2019-06-18T19:38:11Z")
how does eve lore explain you trying so hard it’s just an idle remark btw, pls don’t respond ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/3 "2019-06-18T19:40:25Z")
Oh, I’m a Khanid princess, that’s how we roll. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/4 "2019-06-18T19:48:06Z")
[https://community.testeveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/the-spider-miner/](https://community.testeveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/the-spider-miner/) > **[Mila Auvuane Gariushi - Real Life Science Fiction](https://fiction.eveonline.com/new-eden/lore/mila-auvuane-gariushi)** > > Mila Gariushi was born on Isinokka Eight in the Lonetrek region. She enjoyed a quiet childhood and adolescence until age 15 when her father, Vilamo, moved the family to Drenali Seven in the Fade region in order to take advantage of Ishukone's latest... 🤔 CODE really reduces people’s competence. And this kind of _individual_ candidate for the CSM when it cannot even use the galnet search feature properly. God, capsuleers have really fallen fast and hard from their once so esteemed potential. ---
**Author:** ![Bataav](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bataav/32/502151_2.png) [@Bataav](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bataav)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/5 "2019-06-18T19:50:56Z")
Not all of the organisations that run capsuleer training programmes are military. Some, like CAS, for example are academic in nature, and so the process from baseliner to miner is probably similar to those in RL who worked at NASA and went on to found Planetary Resources with the intention of mining asteroids 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/6 "2019-06-18T19:51:17Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > God, capsuleers have really fallen fast and hard from their once so esteemed potential. I’ll say, that’s what I’m talking about. Imagine going through all that capsuleer training, and then you just waste it all on a mining barge. What a disappointment they must be to their instructors. Half the time they are asleep in their pods and don’t even notice when they are getting shot at. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/7 "2019-06-18T19:54:10Z")
Being able to procure the materials for war is not a waste. A waste is allowing _individuals_ like you to be able to become a capsuleer, let alone board a ship. As especially my second link demonstrates, mining is part of the cluster’s culture and it created some of the finest and most powerful people in the wider community. [http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Catiz\_Tash-Murkon](http://wiki.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?title=Catiz_Tash-Murkon) Even our beloved current Empress, Empress Catiz I, started out her conquest of the cluster as a mining venture. People who speak ill of miners have no idea what they are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/8 "2019-06-18T19:57:33Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I mean, you go through all this elite highly selective super expensive training, people expect you are gonna become some kind of combat pilot, and then you wind up flying some kind of barge like an SCV in starcraft doing the exact same work that bots do. It’s like going to the Air Force Academy and qualifying for NASA, or so you told your parents, but ultimately you wind up digging ditches in a Louisiana swamp for seven cents an hour… and because you are violating minimum wage laws and fail to get a permit, you are technically a criminal. Parents must be proud of their little capsuleer? Lore eh? I think, rarely, the capsuleer-making-machine jams, much like a photocopier does, and produces a mentally defective capsuleer. But once you’ve made one, even one with special needs, the paperwork to correct that mistake is very tedious, so most capsuleer creation managers just release them into the wild. There, they become mindless miners or ratters, squandering their immortality to hoard materials without purpose, perhaps compensating for the loss of their humanity. I was kinda hoping the Triglavians would purge this unimaginative caste of capsuleers from New Eden but CCP seems to have other designs and is instead catering to them in recent years. Perhaps the long overdue next Eve chronicle will explain why there are so many of them, and why they seem to be growing. That all seems pretty on topic for the OP to me. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/9 "2019-06-18T20:00:07Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Even our beloved current Empress, Empress Catiz I, started out her conquest of the cluster as a mining venture. People who speak ill of miners have no idea what they are talking about. You are on the Lore Discussion forum. This is a place for _players_ to talk about lore. If you want to roleplay, _as your characters_, the place is here: [Intergalactic Summit - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/fiction-portal/igs) ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/10 "2019-06-18T20:05:02Z")
In lore terms, I would imagine being able to have an individual with no/minimal crew bring 1000s of m3 of material back from deep space is immensly useful in material terms. Especially considering that the materials gathered aren’t abundant or avaiable enough physically or politically to be viable for mining ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/11 "2019-06-18T21:04:54Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > mining is part of the cluster’s culture @Galaxy_Pig 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/12 "2019-06-18T23:37:53Z")
It’s weird, a roleplaying game where you aren’t allowed to roleplay? I’m not even roleplaying, but I’m being accused of roleplaying? You seem awful upset about this. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/13 "2019-06-18T23:46:52Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > people expect you are gonna become some kind of combat pilot Which people? And why do they expect this? As to the actual question, wasn’t the Eve gate explored initially due to over-population / shrinking resources? And once the gate collapsed, it took some generations, but ultimately the whole cycle simply repeated itself. Albeit at a more cosmic scale rather than a mundane global one. In that context, where else are you going to get resources from to build and fuel your capsuleer fleet, unless you farm NPC miners? Or capsuleer miners? That’s the lore; end of. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/14 "2019-06-18T23:47:46Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > Which people? And why do they expect this? I mean, I just assume when they put guns on your ship, they kinda implied there was a reason for the guns. I mean, even the civilian noob frigate has a gun - its a frigate for crying out loud. Clearly, its a combat vessel. Your first tutorial missions are combat missions. It’s hard to see the capsuleer program as a non-military programme. Mining seems to be at most the “flunked out of combat school” alternative for failed capsuleers. Well, I guess you can’t hit a moving target or stay alive when something shoots at you… here, see if you can hit this stationary rock… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/15 "2019-06-18T23:48:26Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > where else are you going to get resources from There seems to be an over abundance of resources to be quite honest, not much scarcity in New Eden. I can’t imagine lore would depict mining as a lucrative career. ---
**Author:** ![Lily\_Inkura](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lily_inkura/32/174143_2.png) [@Lily\_Inkura](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lily_Inkura)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/16 "2019-06-18T23:51:36Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > There seems to be an over abundance of resources to be quite honest. Gameplay problem, not lore - as seen through failure of “resource wars”. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I can’t imagine lore would depict mining as a lucrative career. It doesn’t have to; just a necessary one. ---
**Author:** ![Samira\_Kernher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/samira_kernher/32/244840_2.png) [@Samira\_Kernher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Samira_Kernher)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/17 "2019-06-19T00:03:11Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I mean, you go through all this elite highly selective super expensive training, people expect you are gonna become some kind of combat pilot Only one capsuleer school per empire is actually for combat. The other two are for trading and industry. Also, the money mining earns would still make a capsuleer far wealthier than most non-capsuleers. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 12:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/18 "2019-06-19T00:06:18Z")
> [@Lily\_Inkura](#): > > Gameplay problem, not lore Well, if it’s a gameplay problem - then CCP needs to step up and fix the problem. Lore and gameplay should complement one another. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/19 "2019-06-19T04:35:20Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > It’s weird, a roleplaying game where you aren’t allowed to roleplay? The point of roleplay in the end is to separate between player and character, so that players can be friendly and helpful towards each other even when characters are ganking each others’ ships and burning down each others’ structures. Chill, mate. It’s just a game. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 5:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090/20 "2019-06-19T05:25:24Z")
> [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](#): > > Chill, mate. It’s just a game. I’m not the one throwing a temper tantrum every single day crying about evil gankers ruining the game and driving away new players - am I? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-eve-lore-explain-miners/168090.md?page=2)