# How does your society view the concept of honour? **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309 "2021-12-18T22:46:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ange_des_larmes/32/304752_2.png) [@Ange\_des\_Larmes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ange_des_Larmes)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/21 "2021-12-22T14:23:05Z")
I grew up within the New Halaima Code of Conduct - a group lead by the capusleers of CODE. and the charismatic leadership of James315. I know it would shock most of you for me to say but honour was always the most important aspect of their society. ---
**Author:** ![Yun-Hee\_Tight-lips\_Yubari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yun-hee_tight-lips_yubari/32/513933_2.png) [@Yun-Hee\_Tight-lips\_Yubari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yun-Hee_Tight-lips_Yubari)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2021, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/22 "2021-12-22T20:30:09Z")
> [@MantelGlobalIndustries](#): > > What are the customs and demands attached to it in your society? Have you forgotten already, Onii-chan? šŸ˜ø Hee. Iā€™m afraid I no longer feel like the right person to remind you. The State likely views me as a traitor or a dissident or a coward or a fool or scum, or maybe all of those. And if it does not, then maybe it should. > [@MantelGlobalIndustries](#): > > what does honour mean to you ā€¦That is a good question actually, I havenā€™t really thought about that. I guess for me, integrity is a major component and loyalty as wellā€¦butā€¦ ā€¦I donā€™t knowā€¦Iā€™ll have to think about it some moreā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_Endares](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_endares/32/413291_2.png) [@Jin\_Endares](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_Endares)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/23 "2021-12-23T04:02:05Z")
There is a fine line between honor and foolishness. ---
**Author:** ![Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/morgana_tsukiyo/32/385507_2.png) [@Morgana\_Tsukiyo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Morgana_Tsukiyo)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/24 "2021-12-23T12:34:44Z")
_Live by the sword, trip and fall on your sword, die by the sword._ ---
**Author:** ![Diana\_Kim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/diana_kim/32/382972_2.png) [@Diana\_Kim](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Diana_Kim)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/25 "2021-12-24T09:59:02Z")
> [@Kyle\_Saltz](#): > > Honor cannot be taken from you or given to you. Honor comes from your own soul/self. Nobody can take it from you. A man stripped to his foundation through trials and tribulations or even extreme torture may hold upon his very Honor even with everything else taken from him/her. Honor is what you get when you look into the mirror and the man/woman in the mirror looks back approvingly of the spirit and conduct of the individual. Thusā€¦honor is what you give yourself. There is a good question though: _Do honorable people really need an approval?_ Why would someone look into the mirror, looking for approval for self, or to look for approval from others? Did they do something that they need a justification for? I have that concept, that I feel that if I will need to justify for myself some of my action, that would mean that this action was in fact _questionable_. What I feel the great difference between Honorable people and dishonorable is that when Honorable one commits something questionable, they take amends, they bring apologies, they repair the damage or they take their own life - to show that they believe their chose was right, but on the other hand it was wrong. Dishonorable people in contrast will start making justifications and proving that what they did was right - mostly to themselves. They will need approval, and mostly from themselves. They will try to convince themselves they did nothing wrong, while they will still feel something they did wasnā€™t exactly _right_. I have a good story for this. Imagine you have three warring lands, and two warlords made an agreement that they stay together to defeat the third. Once the battle was coming to the end, one of the warlords gives his lieutenants order to attack those whom they made a pact with while they still were on the battlefield - a perfect opportunity to end all these wars! One of the lieutenants draws his sword and immediately beheads his lord! Others understand that their warlord was about to dishonor them all, so they suggest the lieutenant who killed him to take his position, because he should be more honorable and understands what is right or wrong. Instead, he offers them to choose a new leader and demonstratively kills himself in front of them all. ---
**Author:** ![Kyle\_Saltz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kyle_saltz/32/438636_2.png) [@Kyle\_Saltz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kyle_Saltz)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/26 "2021-12-24T14:39:22Z")
Diana, Q. 1. Do honorable people really need approval? No, honorable people should need not seek approval as what is honorable is already considered by most a just, moral, and ethical actions. When people start committing actions that society or community would question then the person may be swerving away on their own egotistical behavior and may be suffering their own narcissism and visions of their own honor and grandeur. Which again is in the mind of the individual. Q. 2. Ohh i love this story. It is the heart of the eternal warrior. One must always serve. It is not the place of the warrior to question oneā€™s master or place. Yet, in this story we see a dishonorable action of killing oneā€™s master for the greater good of an honorable community. Him taking his life gives him honor. Knowing full well he committed an unspeakable action in his death he redeems his honor. What many would sayā€¦yet this was a personal decision made upon by the warrior. He was not forced. So again the man in order to regain his honor kills himself. While the community wanted him to be the new leader. So he didnt agree with what the rest of his society claimed was honorable. He could not accept this and knew of his own disgraceful behavior and his sin and dishonor. So, he could not continue to live even if the community accepted him. The man in the mirror looks beyond every lie and falsehood. While a warrior can fool the world the warrior cannot fool the man in the mirror. Thus, in the warriors actions he/she may come before their god with no shame awaiting judgement. Which brings us back to honor being an individual affair. The lord was making a dishonorable decision by attacking the other group. The path to damnation is paved in good intentions. It is always the individual. Many of us have heard of CODE. I have heard every swear word that would make many Gallente blush about them. Yet, from their own mouths they believe in honor. Seeā€¦people seek out honor as an individual affair and usually they do so in the graces of what is ā€œhonorableā€ in the society and or what the community commonly accepts and ā€œgood behavior.ā€ Best Regards my old friend Diana. Paladin Warden Kyle Saltz. ---
**Author:** ![Nauplius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nauplius/32/403015_2.png) [@Nauplius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nauplius)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/28 "2021-12-24T23:32:43Z")
> [@MantelGlobalIndustries](#): > > what does honour mean to you Something we have and the Minmatar do not. ---
**Author:** ![Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anthony_fattony_amico/32/391106_2.png) [@Anthony\_FatTony\_Amico](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anthony_FatTony_Amico)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/29 "2021-12-25T02:27:58Z")
Being a Cadari born citizen I view honor as how successful a business person is. This can be the amount of ISK one has, victory through lucrative business deals, and strategic defeat of the enemies of the state and competitors. Honor can be gained without firing a single shot and with words/contracts alone. Thatā€™s how I view honor. ---
**Author:** ![Miran\_Tereven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miran_tereven/32/383453_2.png) [@Miran\_Tereven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miran_Tereven)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/30 "2021-12-25T11:44:58Z")
1. Asking oneself what it means to be a part of oneā€™s people, and learning this from oneā€™s family and teachers. 2. Living oneā€™s life according to oneā€™s peopleā€™s way. 3. Passing oneā€™s way on to oneā€™s children. 4. Contributing to making the future a better place for them and others in the present. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/31 "2022-01-02T18:44:14Z")
Well, you show up with your workout partner at the designated time. No excuses. You encourage your partner to push themselves. When you spot, you pay attention and you let them struggle through the lift offering just enough assistance to prevent themselves from hurting themselves. You speak encouraging words to one another and build each other up. You listen when they are dealing with struggles. You donā€™t shame other people. You donā€™t make fun of them. Everyone there in the gym is a family member. Help and encourage each other. ---
**Author:** ![Ayallah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ayallah/32/302740_2.png) [@Ayallah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ayallah)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 3:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/32 "2022-01-03T03:28:40Z")
Service to Godā€™s law is the definition of honour. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/34 "2022-01-08T16:28:13Z")
Can you extrapolate on that. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Chernovar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_chernovar/32/420813_2.png) [@Arya\_Chernovar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Chernovar)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/35 "2022-01-13T06:56:32Z")
My grandfather taught me that honor is an evil word used by the strong to make sure the weak canā€™t fight back. Was it honorable when he sabotaged his overseerā€™s oxygen tank? No. But it got him and the other slaves in the crew to freedom. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 8:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/36 "2022-01-13T08:45:11Z")
> [@Arya\_Chernovar](#): > > Was it honorable when he sabotaged his overseerā€™s oxygen tank? Without knowing more of the specifics, I can only say: It might well have been. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/37 "2022-01-13T14:11:15Z")
So, what he did was honorable to the slaves he saved, but by your definition, evil towards the slaver? ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/38 "2022-01-13T17:30:15Z")
There are times such that even honor is a luxury, they say. Iā€™ve heard it said many times but only recently _really_ understood. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Chernovar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_chernovar/32/420813_2.png) [@Arya\_Chernovar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Chernovar)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/39 "2022-01-13T23:17:12Z")
Not evil. But by many definitions, dishonorable. And pretty distasteful. He mixed in caustic chemicals with some cheap drugs so the overseer wouldnā€™t notice the pain in his lungs until it was too late. It also kept him high enough that he didnā€™t notice everything else the slaves were doing. He did it so that if they got caught, he could try and pass the death off as a tragic accident. It gave them a way to abort if they had to. It also meant that the overseer died a slow and painful death. ---
**Author:** ![Aria\_Jenneth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aria_jenneth/32/469792_2.png) [@Aria\_Jenneth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aria_Jenneth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 4:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/40 "2022-01-14T04:09:55Z")
My own code, such as it is, would just call that necessary. Sometimes duty requires you to hurt someone. Of course, you can excuse a lot with ā€œnecessity,ā€ including perhaps some things that oughtnā€™t be excused, but even so. Like Mr. Thorne I come from a culture that has different expectations of ā€œhonorā€ from different people. The soldier and the baker do not face the same duty, nor the duelist and the spy. If it is your right place to do what must be done, you do it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/41 "2022-01-14T17:00:41Z")
> [@Aria\_Jenneth](#): > > My own code, such as it is, would just call that necessary. And there is honor, too, in rising to the necessity when it finds you. ---
**Author:** ![Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elsebeth_rhiannon/32/418836_2.png) [@Elsebeth\_Rhiannon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elsebeth_Rhiannon)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-does-your-society-view-the-concept-of-honour/342309/42 "2022-01-14T17:02:04Z")
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