# How hardcore is wormhole living? **URL:** \ **Category:** Wormhole Space\ **Created:** [March 28, 2018, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443 "2018-03-28T15:44:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2018, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/21 "2018-04-05T22:38:10Z")
> [@sin\_Alarma](#): > > Look at kills in WHs on zkill and you’ll realise that more ships are getting in out and around WHs than are dying. A 50% survival rate. Let me jump for joy. > Happy to go through any of the above with you any time. Doesn’t actually sound like you know what you’re talking about. Have lived in a WH over a year. ---
**Author:** ![Freddie\_Merrcury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freddie_merrcury/32/37413_2.png) [@Freddie\_Merrcury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freddie_Merrcury)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/22 "2018-04-06T05:54:25Z")
A properly scanned chain can allow lots of logistics to go on in wormhole space. If you know everything that is connected to you, you have a big advantage over anyone who happens to connect into that C4 five holes deep in your pipe. Knowing as much about the “unknown” space where you operate is a very important element in living in Jspace. ---
**Author:** ![Eikin\_Skjald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eikin_skjald/32/72392_2.png) [@Eikin\_Skjald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eikin_Skjald)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/23 "2018-04-06T13:23:55Z")
If you know what you are doing, than WH Space is easy safe and fast Exits…if not…you die. That simple since years. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/24 "2018-04-06T14:41:48Z")
Less easy than 0.0. Less safe than 0.0 because there’s no Local and you can get trapped without probes. The only thing it’s really safer for is using siege mode, because you can verge all entrances to the system. Even then, someone can have logged off in your system. And we’ve already established it can take hours to find a decent exit from a C5 or C6. ---
**Author:** ![erg\_cz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erg_cz/32/392645_2.png) [@erg\_cz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/erg_cz)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/25 "2018-04-06T17:01:33Z")
So basically it is about endless scanning and rolling instead of having PvE or PvP fun. If you are solo, of cause. ---
**Author:** ![Erethond](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erethond/32/11049_2.png) [@Erethond](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erethond)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/26 "2018-04-06T18:17:39Z")
It’s also about waiting for and seizing opportunities for content (PvE or PvP) rather than getting the same thing all the time (most HS PvE). Wormholes force you to do a bit of everything, which can be good and take you out of doing the same, supposedly fun thing that you end up getting sick of nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Loki\_Orkund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/loki_orkund/32/146159_2.png) [@Loki\_Orkund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Loki_Orkund)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/27 "2018-04-06T22:19:02Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > So basically it is about endless scanning and rolling instead of having PvE or PvP fun. If you are solo, of cause. Well if you only do sites in your system, there’s minimal scanning and maybe a WH or 2 to verge. Verging’s not too time consuming with 3+ BSs if you multitask, and is quick with a carrier. The time consuming stuff is finding an exit, particularly from a c5/c6. There’s a collective groan when someone gets podded and needs a way in. If you don’t want to be in a big corp, and you’re OK with scanning/rolling, then W-space is probably the best place to be. Not sure about solo though. ---
**Author:** ![Duo\_Roman](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duo_roman/32/379186_2.png) [@Duo\_Roman](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duo_Roman)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2018, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/28 "2018-04-15T19:30:29Z")
> [@erg\_cz](#): > > So basically it is about endless scanning and rolling instead of having PvE or PvP fun. If you are solo, of cause. Wingspan pilots fly solo most of the time. They can confirm there is plenty of scanning but also plenty of pvp and pve (I’ve seen them doing relic sites quite often). ---
**Author:** ![Jennifer\_Austin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jennifer_austin/32/321578_2.png) [@Jennifer\_Austin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jennifer_Austin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/29 "2018-04-19T02:11:52Z")
Okay it’s kind of an off-topic question what type of ship do I need to kill the rats in a wormhole can a Cruiser or would I need to have a battleship? ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/30 "2018-04-19T06:51:31Z")
> [@Jennifer\_Austin](#): > > Okay it’s kind of an off-topic question what type of ship do I need to kill the rats in a wormhole can a Cruiser or would I need to have a battleship? That depends on the wormhole. At lower skills I would say: class 1 - cruiser class 2 - battlecruiser class 3 - battleship class 4 and up - fleet or multiboxed battleships The sleeper data/relic sites in wormholes typically have a difficulty that’s one class higher than the regular combat anomalies, so class 1 would need a battlecruiser, etc… Once you have decent skills, it probably becomes preferable to run c2/c3 in T2/T3/pirate cruisers instead. ---
**Author:** ![Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/corraidhin_farsaidh/32/10994_2.png) [@Corraidhin\_Farsaidh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Corraidhin_Farsaidh)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/31 "2018-04-19T09:23:02Z")
My advice there would be find a good corp (of course I recommend the one I’m in 🙂 ) and take their advice. WH’s are going to be the perfect place to run the new Trig sites from too. Seal your home system for a while and hammer the sites. ---
**Author:** ![Chili\_Klaus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chili_klaus/32/246541_2.png) [@Chili\_Klaus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chili_Klaus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 12:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/32 "2018-04-19T12:01:09Z")
Don’t forget the nice feature if you lose your citadel, you lose all its assets too, unlike k-space. Certainly didn’t kill WH for a lot of people. ---
**Author:** ![Villiam\_Kaardanen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/villiam_kaardanen/32/85484_2.png) [@Villiam\_Kaardanen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Villiam_Kaardanen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/33 "2018-04-19T17:52:28Z")
a T1 or Navy frigate can get the job done for C1s or at least some of the sites, it takes much more time to clear but it compensates by being more agile and easier to replace. this means of course knowing which anomalies and relic/data sites are the least dangerous along with a proper knowledge of your ship’s tanking potential, agility and most important, capacitor. i havent checked shattered WHs yet, probably all of them are occupied but regular C1s are quite easy with those. gotta check with regular Destroyers. the only real danger are the sentry drones and the neuts, some races are better at dealing with that but still needs a module management close to PvP, even Overheating in some cases. ---
**Author:** ![Michael1995](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/michael1995/32/132932_2.png) [@Michael1995](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Michael1995)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 12:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/34 "2018-04-20T00:42:17Z")
You realize that this has been the case for w-space since it was first introduced in 2009, right? The only difference was that you lived out of a POS. If you got evicted you still lost all of your stuff. Not to mention that if the POS was reinforced the CHA would be locked and you wouldn’t be able to grab anything out of it until the POS was repaired. Your comment makes no sense, you are either trolling or really don’t know what you’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Imustbecomfused](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/imustbecomfused/32/140896_2.png) [@Imustbecomfused](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Imustbecomfused)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 6:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/35 "2018-04-20T06:51:25Z")
it snot so bad ---
**Author:** ![Chili\_Klaus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chili_klaus/32/246541_2.png) [@Chili\_Klaus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chili_Klaus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/36 "2018-04-20T08:04:24Z")
You forgot to mention how little it cost to run a POS compared to now. Also, now that you’re trolling, you forgot to mention that POS worked the same way in k-space, so why don’t citadels do? ---
**Author:** ![Eikin\_Skjald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eikin_skjald/32/72392_2.png) [@Eikin\_Skjald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eikin_Skjald)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 8:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/37 "2018-04-20T08:51:39Z")
A good point, I can’t understand why there is something like asset Safety in K Space. The costs depend on what you are doing. The Stuff in one Fortizar has been in about 6 to 10 Poses. Of cause one small Pos is more expensive than a raitaru…but if you can’t afford a raitaru in WH Space than you are doing something realy wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Michael1995](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/michael1995/32/132932_2.png) [@Michael1995](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Michael1995)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 11:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/38 "2018-04-20T23:57:32Z")
Because K-Space krabs wanted asset safety, we did not. They also had outposts that they could anchor that were literally stations, they never lost assets, at most they would be locked away if they lost the station. And they could still firesale their assets via contract. A cloning center in an Astrahus/Fort/Keepstar requires 7.5 fuel blocks an hour to cycle. a Medium POS requires 20 fuel blocks an hour. Citadels may require slightly more startup ISK. But they cost less to run, provide more safety/better defense, you can literally set the day when they come out, which is something you couldn’t do with a POS. And they provide you with more services. You could never have more than one clone in W-Space. Anyone remember what that was like? Yeah I’m the one trolling, and not the NPC alt posting on the forums. 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/39 "2018-04-21T06:27:22Z")
When CCP was making the citadels, they held a roundtable and asked what we wanted from citadels to keep things similar to POS when it came to evictions. Hence the timers are shorter. We also asked for no asset safety. CCP had thought it was too harsh, but wormholers explained that we had always lost our stuff when a POS was destroyed, so no asset safety was keeping things like they were before and it also fit the space. ---
**Author:** ![Chili\_Klaus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chili_klaus/32/246541_2.png) [@Chili\_Klaus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chili_Klaus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-hardcore-is-wormhole-living/66443/40 "2018-04-21T15:17:21Z")
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