# How orca miners are going to Plex their accounts after the mining changes? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2021, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796 "2021-11-19T11:02:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 1:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/65 "2021-11-21T01:29:21Z")
Why would anyone sell that low? Wouldn’t it be profitable to simply reprocess them at that low of a price point? ---
**Author:** ![Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peaceful_industrialist_miner/32/294138_2.png) [@Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peaceful_Industrialist_Miner)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/66 "2021-11-21T01:44:01Z")
in npc null not sure if fire sale but dont look a gift horse in the mouth ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/67 "2021-11-21T12:22:04Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > A couple old veterans pointed out to me that CCP has already traded plex on the isk-markets in the past, at least during the time when they still had an economist around. Guy was called Dr Eyjo and there’s still some old interviews up, where he mentioned the practice. Got a link to these? ---
**Author:** ![Aisha\_Katalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aisha_katalen/32/387724_2.png) [@Aisha\_Katalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aisha_Katalen)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/68 "2021-11-21T13:58:32Z")
From what I _remember_ they used confiscated isk to buy Plex, but not 100% sure on this. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/69 "2021-11-21T14:18:06Z")
From a practical perspective (assuming that account would never be able to play the game again), it’s no different from spawning items into the game. But yes, they did do this, and might still be doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/70 "2021-11-21T14:29:19Z")
Some kind of link to where they admitted this would be useful, because otherwise its pure speculation still ---
**Author:** ![Jumpdrive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jumpdrive/32/285032_2.png) [@Jumpdrive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jumpdrive)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/71 "2021-11-21T15:30:56Z")
It was no secret back in those early days. Here’s the link: > **[Money Talks: An Interview With EVE Online's Economist](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/eve-economist-interview)** > > EVE Online's economy is unique among videogames in being truly player-driven; outside of the wildcard item of PLEX, alm… ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/72 "2021-11-21T16:19:12Z")
> [@Jumpdrive](#): > > It was no secret back in those early days. Here’s the link: > > [Money Talks: An Interview With EVE Online's Economist | Rock Paper Shotgun](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/eve-economist-interview) > . To be fair that article doesn’t say what they were doing and its from the times when PLEX were a newer thing and sold in single items of 30 days and not the broken down units we currently have, anything recent that confirms they are still doing it? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/73 "2021-11-21T17:52:59Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Wouldn’t it be profitable to simply reprocess them at that low of a price point? reprocessing does not give back the most important items reprocess into : ```auto Capital Sensor Cluster (4 Units) Capital Capacitor Battery (9 Units) Capital Cargo Bay (38 Units) Capital Computer System (7 Units) Capital Construction Parts (16 Units) Capital Ship Maintenance Bay (7 Units) Capital Corporate Hangar Bay (4 Units) ``` BPO requires ```auto 4 x Capital Sensor Cluster 9 x Capital Capacitor Battery 38 x Capital Cargo Bay 7 x Capital Computer System 16 x Capital Construction Parts 7 x Capital Ship Maintenance Bay 4 x Capital Corporate Hangar Bay 800 x Auto-Integrity Preservation Seal 50 x Core Temperature Regulator 400 x Life Support Backup Unit ``` the last 3, which are not present in the reprocess, being 51% of the estimated cost . basically you are only getting back 27% of the value of the orca when reprocessing it, so approx 510M ---
**Author:** ![Kestrix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kestrix/32/420684_2.png) [@Kestrix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kestrix)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/74 "2021-11-22T17:19:43Z")
by learning to be part of a team or diversify into another solo activity like running missions for example. Kestrix ---
**Author:** ![Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/peaceful_industrialist_miner/32/294138_2.png) [@Peaceful\_Industrialist\_Miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Peaceful_Industrialist_Miner)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/75 "2021-11-22T17:47:08Z")
> [@Kestrix](#): > > by learning to be part of a team or diversify into another solo activity like running missions for example. > > Kestrix. Missions getting redone in next quadrant likely to be a group only activity too. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/76 "2021-11-22T18:57:28Z")
Cool, they can use their many other Orca alts to do that and get it nerfed too. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/77 "2021-11-22T19:27:48Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > The proc gets more tank after the patch if you go full tank. > > While it lost 2 mids and some raw hp it gained 10% resists across shields an extra low and 30% resists across armor. > > So if you go max yield and add only a shield tank you’ll be softer. If you give up yield and brick yourself, you’re far more tanky Fake news! Compare on TQ vs Singularity. Instead of claims, show the facts. The following includes Mining Barge level 5 bonus where applicable: - Resistance profile is the same (not impacted by skills,) - Shield base HP is lowered - Armor base HP is increased - Structure base HP is lowered. - Overall, unfitted total ehp is roughly the same (TQ: 31563 ehp vs Sisi: 31642) - 2 mids have been removed, which means less shield capability, and inability to make up, shield wise, for the lower base shield hp. - Because of the lower shield base hp and removal of mid slots, using shield rigs is a waste. - To compensate for the lower shield tank, you need to increase armor and/or structure (remember, structure base HP is lower… despite the doubling of the ship’s weight…), meaning your additionnal low slot is not going to help with yield, and you even need to throw away any yield modules you were using previously to add more armor/structure tank to make up for the anihilation of the shield tank ability. But… this won’t be even close to be enough. Result, you end up less tanky. Comparing Apples with Apples : tank fit vs tank fit. Here is a full tank fit on TQ today vs a full tank fit on Sisi today. Summary : TQ 90320 ehp Sisi : 82507 ehp Meaning, on TQ I can remove the bulkhead in the low slot and use a mining upgrade II, and I’ll stil have 3500 ehp more than the best tank I could fit on a Procurer on Sisi, AND the TQ fit will also have better yield. Add the higher weight to that (slower velocity and align time) Conclusion : the Procurer got a big NERF. You don’t use a Procurer for yield. You use it for Tank. [Procurer, Procurer Full Tank TQ] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II =========== [Procurer, Procurer Full Tank Sisi] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II Medium Transverse Bulkhead II ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/78 "2021-11-22T19:29:18Z")
has sisi been updated with the new EHP that barges etc are supposed to be getting? ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/79 "2021-11-22T19:31:26Z")
From the original devblog, yes. I see differences. I didn’t compared from the unreliable spread sheet. I want to see facts in the fitting window. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/80 "2021-11-22T19:42:50Z")
Ok, now, I see that, if I actually fit strip miners… the Powergrid needs to be fixed. Need to remove the bulkhead on the TQ fit for a Reactor Control Unit II So now, it is still tankier than the Sisi fit… and with strip miners 😃 [Procurer, Full Tank TQ with miner] Damage Control II Reactor Control Unit II Medium Shield Extender II Medium Shield Extender II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/81 "2021-11-22T19:51:12Z")
No most of the changes aren’t live on sisi yet, it’s a load of people not used to how major changes role out on sisi flipping out at the midway point. Same thing happened with the capital overhaul ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/82 "2021-11-22T20:02:59Z")
And you are fake news again. I didn’t plan on wasting time with a guy who doesn’t even know what he’s talking about, but I just compared the base value on both TQ and Sisi and with the current Excel sheet, and YES, the change are currently on Sisi for the Procurer. Btw, only the Hulk and Mackinaw got increased resistance profile (according to the Excel sheet), and they are not the subject of this talk. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/83 "2021-11-22T20:08:09Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > Btw, only the Hulk and Mackinaw got increased resistance profile (according to the Excel sheet), and they are not the subject of this talk. … the proc got a 10% increase in shields total and 30% to armor in the form of the per level bonus ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/84 "2021-11-22T20:08:30Z")
@Lugh_Crow-Slave Just for you > […] We did push everything to the test server for a reason! > [@From Extraction to Production](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production/336331/858): > > Thank you all for the feedback so far. Keep it coming. We did push everything to the test server for a reason! Below you can see a non-exhaustive list of things we will be looking into immediately (well from Monday on): • Revisiting all cycle times for all compression modules • Reducing the Orca Industrial Core cycle duration • All Waste Probabilities will be revisited. We will be looking into using the same profile for drones as in modules • Ways to bring back gas harvesting bonuses to fri… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796.md?page=5)