# How orca miners are going to Plex their accounts after the mining changes? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 19, 2021, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796 "2021-11-19T11:02:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/85 "2021-11-22T20:13:16Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > … the proc got a 10% increase in shields total and 30% to armor in the form of the per level bonus Fake news again. Prove your point with facts, stop the claims. Procurer shield is down 1/6 Procurer structure hp is down 1/11 No change to armor No change to resistance profile Get your facts here (+ go on Sisi): [https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/aws/community/FromExtractionToProduction.xlsx](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/aws/community/FromExtractionToProduction.xlsx) ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/86 "2021-11-22T20:14:44Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > … the proc got a 10% increase in shields total and 30% to armor in the form of the per level bonus The “per level” thing, I’ve already provided the numbers with a level 5 Mining Barge character. See my first reply to your fake news. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/88 "2021-11-22T20:34:09Z")
Already do that, I was just debunking Mr Fake News. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/89 "2021-11-22T20:40:38Z")
Please. I can sense the semi mullet up-do from here. The cringe is real. I get you think you sound smart but using that term makes you sound the opposite 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/90 "2021-11-22T20:44:57Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > Fake news again > [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > The “per level” thing, I’ve already provided So is the per level thing “fake news” or not? > [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > No change to armor > No change to resistance profile Except what you admitted was changed right? ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/91 "2021-11-22T20:48:49Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > See my first reply to your fake news. Thank you for the fact-based summary. It’s a refreshing change from the blowhards who yap all day to make sure they get noticed. I appreciate your detailed comparison. It’s odd how often CCP says they’re doing one thing but when you check the actual results, they’re not in line with the hype. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/92 "2021-11-22T20:49:43Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > So is the per level thing “fake news” or not? Yes you are off on shield and it is not 30% per level for armor, but 6%… now, just the way you phrased it. But still fake news because inaccurate on shield, lol If you understand what is going on from my first reply: fake news on your claim that it is going to be more tanky. No, it is not. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/93 "2021-11-22T20:51:51Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > Except what you admitted was changed right? No change to resistance profile. I’m right on that. You argued on resistance bonus. Read ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/94 "2021-11-22T20:56:00Z")
CCP said they’re going to be adjusting barge EHP up after all the recent tears. Pretty sure the specifics haven’t been released yet. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/95 "2021-11-22T21:01:11Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > Yes you are off on shield and it is not 30% per level for armor, Tell me. What is 2x5 and 6x5? ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/96 "2021-11-22T21:04:55Z")
You are off I said. Where do you get your “2” ? It is 6, as per the Excel Sheet. (I don’t know if it changed from 2 weeks ago, I just comment based on what I see today) Have you read it ? Yet, less tanky, not “far more tanky” ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/97 "2021-11-22T21:06:34Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > Where do you get your “2” ? Current per level bonus 4 % proposed per level bonus 6% Now here is where the math gets hard. 4+y=6 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/98 "2021-11-22T21:06:40Z")
I asked if it was updated because this **significantly increase the EHP of all barges and all exhumers as well as their mining yield** doesn’t add up to what you are seeing. Thats why I asked. ---
**Author:** ![Wah\_Huren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wah_huren/32/394699_2.png) [@Wah\_Huren](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wah_Huren)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/99 "2021-11-22T21:09:55Z")
That’s the funniest bit of fiction that I’ve ever read in these forums… ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/100 "2021-11-22T21:19:24Z")
> [@Suki\_Vokkonen](#): > > fake news on your claim I can smell the PSL from here man… ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/101 "2021-11-22T21:24:26Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > […] significantly increase the EHP of all barges and all exhumers “significantly” is clearly not for “all”. For the non tanky based barge/exhumers, maybe. Didn’t check for those, not interested. It is basicaly unchanged for the Procurer when unfitted (at level 5 Mining barge, at least). And it get worse (tank) however you want to fit it. As for yield, yes, it is noticeable at level 5, even if you use the same modules in the low slots (meaning mining laser upgrades). Of course, the Procurer can get even more yield if someone takes benefit of the extra low slots, but then your tank suffer even more. And technically, you don’t use a Procurer for yield. At least on TQ. The proposed changes might change it’s use however. I acknowledge that. For a small ship that got it’s weight doubled, it clearly doesn’t show with its lower tank. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/102 "2021-11-22T21:29:59Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > Current per level bonus 4 % proposed per level bonus 6% > > Now here is where the math gets hard. > > 4+y=6 Fake news again. You can’t even get what is on TQ right. TQ : Per Mining Barge level : 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoint Sisi (and Excel sheet) : Per Mining Barge level : +6% shield hitpoint Yet, less tanky, not “far more tanky”, especially with shield. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/103 "2021-11-22T21:38:29Z")
> 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoints thats on SiSi right now. ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/104 "2021-11-22T21:41:34Z")
You refer to the “Show info” / Traits tab? I think they didn’t update any of them. But as per CCP Psych, they pushed all the changes. > [@From Extraction to Production](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/from-extraction-to-production/336331/858): > > Thank you all for the feedback so far. Keep it coming. We did push everything to the test server for a reason! Below you can see a non-exhaustive list of things we will be looking into immediately (well from Monday on): • Revisiting all cycle times for all compression modules • Reducing the Orca Industrial Core cycle duration • All Waste Probabilities will be revisited. We will be looking into using the same profile for drones as in modules • Ways to bring back gas harvesting bonuses to fri… ---
**Author:** ![Suki\_Vokkonen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/suki_vokkonen/32/382402_2.png) [@Suki\_Vokkonen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Suki_Vokkonen)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 9:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796/105 "2021-11-22T21:48:58Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > > 5% bonus to ship shield hitpoints > > thats on SiSi right now. Confirmed : 6% proposed change is on Sisi, not 5% as current on TQ On a non barge pilot with Shield Management level 2 (10% increased to shield, the fitting window will assume you have level 1 for the ship, even if you don’t have the skill (normal behavior, already like that on TQ) Base shield on Sisi without bonus or skills : 5000 Level 2 Shield Management 5000+ 500 = 5500 Level 1 Mining Barge (simulated) : 5500 + 6% = 5830 So the changes are there, they just didn’t updated the Traits tab and Info bubble [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-orca-miners-are-going-to-plex-their-accounts-after-the-mining-changes/337796.md?page=6)