# How to defend against people who hunt miners? **URL:** \ **Category:** PvP Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 25, 2024, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217 "2024-11-25T08:10:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/150 "2024-11-28T11:10:47Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > Most dedicated blops groups have a doctrine like this. Maybe we have a different understanding how math works. The Redeemer has a Kill:Loss Ratio of 98.0 to 2.0 The Widow has a Kill:Loss Ratio of 97.0 to 3.0 The Sin has a Kill:Loss Ratio of 97.8 to 2.2 The Panther has a Kill:Loss Ratios of 98.4 to 1.6 This is approx _five times_ as high as the Efficiency of Marauders for example which is around 90:10. FIVE TIMES. The mechanic is simply broken. As said, a slight delay for those jumpdrives wouldn’t hurt the larger groups doing their larger battles. You can still attack a Rorqual or Orca or a Marauder, a Metenox, a Citadel, POCO, set up a camp somewhere deep in enemy space to trigger a response if you want to. You can still bridge in Smaller Support ships that would have to hold the field for a bit before the cavalry arrives. But you couldn’t catch small roaming gangs any more that simply don’t want to fight your clearly superior T2 Battleship Gang. And that would be pretty healthy for the game. No small gang should be worried in Lowsec that Cynos could be dropped on them and a blob coming through. If we come back to that point, Lowsec will thrive again, even outside the FW areas. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/151 "2024-11-28T11:35:52Z")
Again, you’re showing a lack of experience on the topic. Even post buff the vast majority of blops drops do not include the black Ops battle ships. You’re only jumping them after your already convinced you have won. Most blops drops include bombers, recons, and/or t3c. Not black Ops battle ships ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/152 "2024-11-28T11:36:31Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > You’re only jumping them after your already convinced you have won. And that’s already the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/153 "2024-11-28T11:38:02Z")
What do you mean? Their primary job is to be a bridge. Not as a combat ship. The bombers, recon, and t3 are the core of your fleet. They are the ones killing and being killed ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/154 "2024-11-28T11:39:36Z")
And that’s the problem. You can’t lose the expensive BlOp if it is in safety. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/155 "2024-11-28T11:40:33Z")
To be fair our t3s tend to cost more than our blops. Hell our arazu the most vulnerable ship cost more than our blops. And my God you should see the hunting or logi pods ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/510263_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/156 "2024-11-28T11:48:16Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > Again, you’re showing a lack of experience on the topic. Even post buff the vast majority of blops drops do not include the black Ops battle ships. You’re only jumping them after your already convinced you have won. > > Most blops drops include bombers, recons, and/or t3c. Not black Ops battle ships I never said something else, I absolutely _do know_ what those Hotdroppers do, rest assured. It’s just not possible to get Blops-Loki-Stats or Blops-Legion Stats because they come in so many variants that you can’t filter pure BridgeKills out on zKill. And that bridging is the exact problem we are talking about here: The possibility alone that someone throws 20 Lokis on your fleet out of nowhere is _killing the space_. Just look at the game, the poor status of Lowsec suffered absolutely correlating with the increase of cyno use. You can’t convince me otherwise, I was there when we hadn’t BlackOps Drops (yes, I mean bridges as well), I was there when we hadn’t Titanbridges and Dreads with HAW guns ready all day long. I was there. And it was _better_. There was more life, there were more fights, there were more groups, there was more fun. You can keep arguing against that if you wish, it doesn’t change the simple facts that there is a _clear_ corellation to see here. > [@](#): > > To be fair our t3s tend to cost more than our blops. > > Hell our arazu the most vulnerable ship cost more than our blops. > > And my God you should see the hunting or logi pods Thank you for proving me, once again. Multibillion ISK filthy rich vets jumping on anything that moves, with blinged to the death ships, blinged to the death pods and then still needing a cyno mechanic because - oh wonder - no one would fight them regulary. You guys poisoned your own well. Go seek fights in Hurricanes, Drakes and Harbingers - empty pods, few Logis. There is your fun, you threw it out of the window, thats why you _need_ teleporters now to even get someone you can force your guns upon. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_kai/32/402812_2.png) [@ISD\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Kai)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/159 "2024-11-28T20:40:56Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_kai/32/402812_2.png) [@ISD\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Kai)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-defend-against-people-who-hunt-miners/469217/160 "2024-11-28T20:40:59Z")
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