# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/183 "2018-09-04T12:58:04Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You are the one that was incapable of answering two direct/specific questions on your own claims, **in proper syntax.** And what proper syntax would this be? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/184 "2018-09-04T12:59:26Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > You are the one that was incapable of answering two direct/specific questions on your own claims, in proper syntax. > > And what proper syntax would this be? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I’m surprised a software engineer doesnt understand how to answer specific queries in the correct syntax. > > Your answers should begin: > > 1. The best way for CCP to curtail botting would be … > 2. Delayed Local in Player would become an advantage to botters because … > > Instead you evaded the actual questions, and answered two of your own making, which I never asked. Already gone over. Your attempt to re-hash it as if it never happened is futile, dishonest, trolling and disruptive. Now you are again gish-posting past topic and relevant content posted in it. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/185 "2018-09-04T13:01:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > … > Your answers should begin: > > 1. The best way for CCP to curtail botting would be … > 2. Delayed Local in Player would become an advantage to botters because … > … You mean I should write like I’m talking to a child? I won’t do this, Salvos. I respect you too much for it. I’ll continue treating you like an adult. I then gave you my answers and explained it to you and others did understand them. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/186 "2018-09-04T13:03:59Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You mean I should write like I’m talking to a child? I won’t do this Salvos. I respect you too much for it. If you respected me, you would answer my questions as directly as they where asked, in proper syntax. You did not do so, and instead made up 2 questions of your own to answer, accused me of trolling repeatedly, hid behind TOS/EULA and now brought this up again in a repeated attempt to gish-post past topic and content in it. GTFO. You are the one acting like a child here. Even a high-schooler knows how to answer a specific direct question on their own claims, with proper syntax, yet you would/could not and instead tried to wreck discussion with your excuses/evasions which you have now returned to, again. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/187 "2018-09-04T13:06:44Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > If you respected me, you would answer my questions as directly as they where asked, in proper syntax. Don’t be rude. I don’t have to answer to you in a “proper syntax”. I did give you answers to your questions. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/188 "2018-09-04T13:09:27Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Don’t be rude. You have been nothing but rude and disrespectful in your replies. You are disruptive and constantly off-topic without following rules of normal discourse debate, via repirocation. Now again you are trying to derail thread from the content/ontopic that was posted above. Stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/189 "2018-09-04T13:09:51Z")
Data- or Relic-site hacking is a game, where each turn based move, with restrictions on movement of each piece, is linear. Salvos, you obviously don’t know a lot about what computers can be programmed to do these days, so please stop pretending you do… and before you ask, I have nearly 50 years experience of programming everything from automated warehouses to pharmaceutical trials systems, so I _do_ know what i’m talking about (as, I believe, does Whitehound). ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/190 "2018-09-04T13:11:19Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Data- or Relic-site hacking is a game, where each turn based move, with restrictions on movement of each piece, is linear. There is no bot applied in EVE that can hack the data/relic minigame reliably. There is also no bot applied in EVE that can probe down the data/relic site in the first place. > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > I have nearly 50 years experience of programming everything from automated warehouses to pharmaceutical trials systems, so I _do_ know what i’m talking about See above. ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/191 "2018-09-04T13:15:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > There is no bot applied in EVE that can hack the data/relic minigame reliably. > There is also no bot applied in EVE that can probe down the data/relic site in the first place. To play you at your own game - citation please ? And bear in mind that the definition of a _successful_ bot is one that does the job _undetected_, so you literally CAN NOT know that it’s never been done. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/193 "2018-09-04T13:17:58Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > There is no bot applied in EVE that can hack the data/relic minigame reliably. > There is also no bot applied in EVE that can probe down the data/relic site in the first place. We’re not talking about the existence or availability of bots. This would be against the EULA. I hope you can understand this. We were talking about the possibility and algorithmic approach of solving mini-games. After all, mini-games are games, too. It doesn’t even need much of an algorithm when your hacking skill is high enough. You can simply brute-force your way through it repeatedly, which does work, too, but is only boring and repetitive for a human. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/194 "2018-09-04T13:18:18Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > To play you at your own game - citation please ? You are the self-professed expert with 50yrs of experience. Do you claim there is software/bots currently active in EVE that can reliably hack data/relic sites, let alone automatically probe for data/relic sigs? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/195 "2018-09-04T13:19:44Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you claim there is software/bots currently active in EVE that can reliably hack data/relic sites, let alone automatically probe for data/relic sigs? Stop asking for bots on the forum, Salvos. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/196 "2018-09-04T13:20:22Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Do you claim there is software/bots currently active in EVE that can reliably hack data/relic sites, let alone automatically probe for data/relic sigs? > > Stop asking for bots on the forum, Salvos. Again, you misread because you cant comprehend the syntax of a query. I did not ask for a bot. I asked if such bots exist. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/197 "2018-09-04T13:20:50Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I did not ask for a bot. > > I asked if such bots exist. It’s pretty much the same thing, Salvos. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/198 "2018-09-04T13:21:09Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > I did not ask for a bot. > > > > I asked if such bots exist. > > it’s pretty much the same thing, Salvos. They do no exist. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/199 "2018-09-04T13:21:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They do no exist. Then stop asking for one. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/200 "2018-09-04T13:21:59Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > They do no exist. > > Then stop asking for one. Then admit they do not exist, instead of claiming they do, and that bots can do what you claim, which they cannot. THEY DO NOT EXIST. Stop arguing that they do, when they do not. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/201 "2018-09-04T13:22:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Then admit they do not exist … I cannot make such a claim. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/202 "2018-09-04T13:23:00Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I cannot make such a claim. Yet you make the claim they do exist. GTFO. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/203 "2018-09-04T13:23:21Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yet you make the claim they do exist. No. I’m saying it’s possible. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=11)