# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/245 "2018-09-05T07:41:06Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Thats what people like you told Galileo. If you don’t go that deep into the past, but only like 70 years back, then you’ll see what can happen when people believe the opposite. You as a German should be well aware of this. That you keep insisting that which you cannot see can also not exist is disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/246 "2018-09-05T07:43:59Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > An educated person knows that that which has no evidence of existing, cannot be argued to exist. Also that you are asking me to prove a negative, which is a fallacy. As an uneducated person will you perhaps know that the existence of the Higgs particle has been proven theoretically long before it got detected. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/247 "2018-09-05T07:44:25Z")
Ah he’s German,that explains alot ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/248 "2018-09-05T07:47:04Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You as a German Im Finnish. You believed I was German, though no evidence exists to that, and though Ive been very open about being Finnish. See what you and I did there? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/249 "2018-09-05T07:47:58Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > As an uneducated person will you perhaps know that the existence of the Higgs particle has been proven theoretically long before it got detected. Their existence was/is speculated based on evidence. Again, went right over your head ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/250 "2018-09-05T07:51:02Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > Ah he’s German,that explains alot I grew up in Germany, too, but we were raised not to make the same mistake twice. Not to believe that only when we don’t see something that it couldn’t be true. People in the past did make this mistake and supported the wrong politics, which we know how it ended. As somebody who grew up in the same country as Salvos am I rather astonished how he keeps making that same mistake. Almost as if he hadn’t even attended any schools, not to mention a higher education. Every school kid in Germany gets to learn this. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/251 "2018-09-05T07:53:42Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Their existence was/is speculated based on evidence. So prove it. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/252 "2018-09-05T07:58:24Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im Finnish. > You believed I was German, though no evidence exists to that, and though Ive been very open about being Finnish. > > See what you and I did there? I thought I saw you claim to be German a while back. Now you claim to be Finnish. It’s however of no relevance, because this isn’t about you. I only expressed my concern over your ill thinking to Dark Engraver. it’s still about the proof you need to make that there can be no such bot, which you haven’t given us yet. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/253 "2018-09-05T07:58:24Z")
Salvos will start the bot Holocaust ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/254 "2018-09-05T08:02:01Z")
> [@Dark\_Engraver](#): > > Salvos will start the bot Holocaust With his thinking is he right on the track. Just how will he fight something he cannot see and thus believes it cannot exist? It’s truly a dilemma for someone who wants to change the game to fight bots, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/255 "2018-09-05T08:08:53Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So prove it. The existence of the Higgs Boson has not yet been conclusively proven, nor its exact nature. > [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s however of no relevance, because this isn’t about you. Strange, as you falsely believed me to be German, and then rattled off a bunch of false generalisations/stereotypes of Germans, including anecdotes of yourself as German. I lived 4years in Hamburg, but am not German. > [@Whitehound](#): > > it’s still about the proof you need to make that there can be no such bot There are currently no hack or probe bots in EVE that can reliably complete that function, as there also is no evidence of their existence. If you cant show any evidence that they exist, then you have no basis for arguing that they do. > [@Whitehound](#): > > Just how will he fight something he cannot see and thus believes it cannot exist? You are the one that believes in the existence of something for which you have no evidence. I cant “holocaust” hack/probe bots, because they do not exist as functional in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/256 "2018-09-05T08:13:41Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > There are currently no hack or probe bots in EVE that can reliably complete that function, as there also is no evidence of their existence. So how do you fight what you cannot see? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/257 "2018-09-05T08:14:35Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > There are currently no hack or probe bots in EVE that can reliably complete that function, as there also is no evidence of their existence. > > So how do you fight what you cannot see? There is no need to fight hack/probe bots, as they do not exist in EVE as capable of completing that task via automation. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/6/1/76178e2f5b843d33ed504ec96b4aefe3eb85fbd2.jpeg "Bot prevention in EVE:") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY2VysoNqdQ) ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/258 "2018-09-05T08:17:45Z")
How come there is a little German flag on your jacket? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/259 "2018-09-05T08:18:44Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > So how do you fight what you cannot see? That’s what the Russians said during the Winter War. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/260 "2018-09-05T08:19:03Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > How come there is a little German flag on your jacket? Its Bundeswehr surplus, dyed black, that I bought in London off a street vendor some 20yrs ago. its my durable work jacket for when I need to get dirty. Its really quite funny how consistently you keep faceplanting. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/261 "2018-09-05T08:21:43Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Its really quite funny how consistently you keep faceplanting. Well, it’s a simple question I was asking about your jacket since you claim to be Finnish, but wear a German army jacket. Your video is amusing. I like how you want to explain that bots are harmless even though CCP declared them illegal. At least the later part did sink into you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/262 "2018-09-05T08:26:23Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I like how you want to explain that bots are harmless even though CCP declared them illegal. If the player is quasi-present, or botting only reasonable hours, it doesnt really matter whether they are sending the commands themselves or via bot. The isk/material they generate is equivalent to what they would generate in that same period, if they where at their PC anyways. In other words, if a player plays, or bots, for 6-8hrs a day, the isk/material generation is the same. The REAL problem botters, are the ones that add up inhuman durations of botting, generating more isk/materials, day after day, than a human can personally. Do you understand the difference? TLDR: The harmful aspect of botting, is not in its automation per se, its in the inhuman amounts of isk/materials they flood into the game. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/263 "2018-09-05T08:31:26Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Do you understand the difference? I understand what you’re trying to say, but it’s wrong. See, when you believe a bot, which runs 6-8 hours wasn’t harmful, because it mimics a human, then you only ignore that what customers want. We don’t want bots in the game. And players who no longer play the game, because it has bots in them, cause CCP a loss. As such is any bot, no matter how long it runs, harmful to the game and to CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Lyro\_Chastot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lyro_chastot/32/93171_2.png) [@Lyro\_Chastot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lyro_Chastot)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/264 "2018-09-05T08:35:19Z")
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