# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/347 "2018-09-05T12:21:48Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Without having actually seen **ghosts** , there’s no definitive yes or no. Fixed that for you. Im asking if he knows of their existence, or not. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/348 "2018-09-05T12:24:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > To your knowledge, are there bots active in, or for, EVE that can reliably hack a data/relic can and/or probe a sig? It’s already been answered, Salvos. I then don’t use bots. I cannot say if any of them, mining, ratting, exploration, market or any other type of bot, is working reliably. My experience from the past is that they never work very reliably, because they don’t have to in order to benefit from it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/349 "2018-09-05T12:25:06Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > To your knowledge, are there bots active in, or for, EVE that can reliably hack a data/relic can and/or probe a sig? > [@Whitehound](#): > > It’s already been answered, Salvos. Where, exactly, has that already been answered? Link it. Is it a yes or a no? ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/350 "2018-09-05T12:31:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Is it a yes or a no? Why are you asking me? You have a scrollbar, use it. And when you’ve found it, please, don’t ask me about it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/351 "2018-09-05T12:32:17Z")
Another evasion by a troll, again, for the upteenth time. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/352 "2018-09-05T12:32:22Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/d/5/d5789a8cd34626f3ed6b9c19ed67525373d6d7a6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/353 "2018-09-05T12:33:42Z")
You should have used Crowders sign. lol. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/354 "2018-09-05T12:34:45Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Where, exactly, has that already been answered? > Link it. > > Is it a yes or a no? its been answered multiple times by more than just @whitehound. you don’t want to accept that sometimes you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/355 "2018-09-05T12:34:56Z")
This tangent began when someone asked if there are data/relic can hack capable reliable bots. There are not. Nor are their functional, reliable probe bots. This crap above is just more attempts by shills to distract from CCP taking pro-action against botting, rather than being re-active. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/356 "2018-09-05T12:36:08Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > its been answered multiple times by more than just @whitehound. Link 3 of those multiple times. They arent there. Nobody has shown evidence of the existence of such bots. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/357 "2018-09-05T12:37:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > This crap above is just more attempts by shills to distract from CCP taking pro-action against botting, rather than being re-active. How is a discussion, a distraction towards the developers? Are they in on this conversation? No. I’m not linking anything for you because you are too lazy to use the scroll bar. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/358 "2018-09-05T12:38:16Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > I’m not linking anything for you because you are too lazy to use the scroll bar. No-one, even once, has shown evidence this kind of bot exists in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/359 "2018-09-05T12:40:56Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No-one, even once, has shown evidence this kind of bot exists in EVE. Nobody has stated that they do exist. Only that we cannot see them, so we don’t know if they do or not. If they do exist, they are probably in some obscure part of the game that almost nobody goes to. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/360 "2018-09-05T12:42:18Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Nobody has stated that they do exist. Thats as I said. They dont exist, nor is there any evidence of them existing. With that out of the way, we can return to the topic of how to reduce/fix botting in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/361 "2018-09-05T12:44:52Z")
This feels like the old tree falls in the forest. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/362 "2018-09-05T12:46:20Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > This feels like the old tree falls in the forest. You stated nobody has claimed they exist. No one has given evidence they exist. Thus there is no cause to believe they exist. We can return instead to OP of how to reduce/fix botting in EVE of bots we do know exist, perpetuate and proliferate. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/363 "2018-09-05T12:48:15Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > You should have used Crowders sign. lol. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/f/2fb5269964c6313b145c553b9f3d7575e58cafda.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/364 "2018-09-05T12:49:26Z")
PS: There are two invisible relic/data can hacking and probing botters sitting in those two chairs next to me, but you cant see them **cos you dont believe/imagine** hard enough that they are there. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/365 "2018-09-05T12:56:00Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Nobody has stated that they do exist. Somebody did and in this thread. Even CAPTCHAs are being solved by bots these days. A video showing how its done, purely scientificly of course and not an actual bot. [Vicarious - Turing Test 1: Captcha](https://vimeo.com/77431982) I personally find CAPTCHAs hard at times due to my eyesight and I have to ask for a new one, sometimes repeatedly. If the game presented me with those would I just ask repeatedly for a new one until I come across one that is easily recognizable. Yet the in the video, which is 5 year old, do they already achieve better scores than I could ever get. If this would be used as a bot detector, then only because it solves them better than a human. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 1:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/366 "2018-09-05T13:08:03Z")
If you try really hard to believe/imagine the botters, you can see them. Lets try together! HNMNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGHHHH! **BAM!** ![123](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/f/6f2cbf360f0cf27091acc8f3dea0b973a6ad46a9.jpeg) Now you can see them! **OH ■■■■!** **They are right next to me, shilling!** [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=19)