# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib\_Sattva](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/muad_dib_sattva/32/95862_2.png) [@Muad\_Dib\_Sattva](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Muad_Dib_Sattva)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 1:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/527 "2018-09-10T01:24:18Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What if I told you that I bot with 24 accounts? > > 8 of them rat in Player NS. > 16 run mining fleets with bonuses in Player NS. > > They run 8hrs while I sleep, and 8hrs while Im at work, with alarms sent to me as I quasi-afk remote control my ventral home clients PC. > > The remaining 8hrs I spend ship-toasting on this forum with this character. > > I net about 8-10bil isk a day. > > Does this make you happy? Why should it make me happy or unhappy? If it doesn’t affect me it doesnt affect me. It just sounds almost like you are jealous they can make isk “without actually playing”. If it is negatively affecting the game then of course I’d want it taken care of, but I don’t think it is at such a scale just a drop in the bucket. Maybe I’m wrong but I see botters sometimes, either ratting or mining, and I dont rage about it. Put info in to CCP or the appropriate hunters (or take care of it yourself) and keep moving. If they are bringing prices down for minerals or mods… /shrug ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 5:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/528 "2018-09-10T05:32:08Z")
> [@Muad\_Dib\_Sattva](#): > > If it is negatively affecting the game then of course I’d want it taken care of It is negatively affecting the games balance, economy and reputation. > [https://www.eveonline.com/article/pec7fa/security-update-q3-2018](https://www.eveonline.com/article/pec7fa/security-update-q3-2018) “As always, we’re very aware that the **fight against activities that _harm the economy_ of New Eden** is a key issue in the eyes of the community – it’s also a priority issue for us too.” 3388 account bans for botting related activities since June. Botting feeds into RMT. Account hacking feeds into botting. **These three problems all feed into each other, making problems worse.** Some people also fail to grasp that botting is not a “one-off” isolated infraction and harm to EVE. Its a repeating, frequent harm as day after day, week after week, they illegally pour materials/isk into their own pockets and EVE. The longer they operate, the more harm they do. Example: - Day 1: Bot generates 1bil isk illegally. - Day 7: Bot has generated 7bil isk illegally. - Day 365: Bot has generated 365bil isk illegally. Thats enough for **243 subs via PLEX** , and puts enormous strain on the PLEX market supply, from **just ONE bot** left to operate for 1 year. ---
**Author:** ![Kon\_Kre8r](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kon_kre8r/32/12087_2.png) [@Kon\_Kre8r](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kon_Kre8r)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/529 "2018-09-10T14:09:58Z")
Summarize and make paragraphs like we were told to do in 3rd grade. We don’t want to read really long winded crap. How to write an essay: introduction - Tell the summary Use as few paragraphs as needed to make all points in the summary. Conclusion - summarize how your suggestions make your point. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/530 "2018-09-10T14:25:49Z")
Zachri cant identify direct simple questions, much less construct a coherent essay response to them. I cant begin to imagine how he answered exam questions in school. Just thinking about it makes me want to rip all my hair out in exasperation. ---
**Author:** ![Mathra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mathra/32/416373_2.png) [@Mathra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mathra)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/531 "2018-09-12T07:56:46Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It reads like you are arguing botting is somehow benefitting CCP financially. > > Explan how CCP is financially benefitting from botting in EVE. It does, I did a post somewhere explaining in detail but cant be arsed to find it now. Its to do with the cost of subs v cost of plex and that those that purchase RMT as a rule run their accounts on plex’s bought off the market with their ill gotten isk…… amongst doing other things with it The recent acquisition of CCP goes along way to explaining their complicity when dealing with the bot problem. High number of bots in game equals inflated player base numbers which in turn ‘evidences’ a healthy game. Plus, by turning a blind eye to those purchasing RMT’d isk and where they use it, they’re increasing their financial return and at the same time evidencing a sustaining plex market The problem is now, they cant turn back the clock with big brother watching them and their financial targets. Bots are now an integral part of the game and CCP’s financial plan. For those that say they hurt CCP’s bottom line then simply put, without even going into figures, why hasn’t CCP resolved this issue months, even years ago. Do you really think with their expertise and finances they can’t sort this problem if they really wanted too? I can give you 425 million reasons why CCP haven’t acted on this ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 8:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/532 "2018-09-12T08:25:00Z")
> [@Mathra](#): > > Its to do with the cost of subs v cost of plex and that those that purchase RMT as a rule run their accounts on plex’s bought off the market with their ill gotten isk…… amongst doing other things with it Id like to see that post, or you elaborate on this, as I am certain you have misunderstood the situation to have come to the erroneous conclusion that botting and/or RMT in any shape or form benefits CCP. The only superficial “benefit” from botting, is a higher apparent PCU rate, as a constant background hum in the stats caused by bots churning at isk/mats. But that means nothing because bots/RMT NEVER pay CCP anything, they just illegally generate isk/materials so as to launder them through PLEX, and sell them via RMT. ---
**Author:** ![Mathra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mathra/32/416373_2.png) [@Mathra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mathra)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/533 "2018-09-12T08:35:09Z")
Cant be arsed to be honest, as always you go round and round in circles. Sit down yourself and work it out, you obviously have much more time on your hands than I do. As I said, do you really honestly believe CCP couldn’t have fixed this if it really was hurting their bottom line months ago. The fact its been allowed to go on for months, years even, should as least tell you there’s more to it than meets the eye The problem with your posting Salvos, is you turn what should a community discussion into your discussion, burying relevant points under mountains of backwards and forth arguments, switching everyone else off to the subject at hand. Which is a shame as the only way this will properly get resolved is if the community really got behind it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/534 "2018-09-12T09:40:52Z")
> [@Mathra](#): > > As I said, do you really honestly believe CCP couldn’t have fixed this if it really was hurting their bottom line months ago. Imo, its because various big movers in EVE are already so entreched in botting/RMT that should CCP crack down on it with full due force, the results would be disastrous to meta and CCP/EVEs reputation when it becomes clear how far up this has gone, and how endemic it has become. IE: CCP turns a blind eye to this corruption/illegal activity, because to crush it would also be to reveal/acknowledge how **rotten** this game has gotten, and banning innumerous prominent players+their organisations would decapitate huge swathes of EVE. > [@Mathra](#): > > The problem with your posting Salvos, This isnt about me, nor am I responsible for this, nor the actions/choices of others. Trying to blame little ole’ me will get you nowhere and is completely beside the point. > [@Mathra](#): > > Cant be arsed to be honest Fine. Your choice. I can be arsed, and thats why I post until one day I too just wont give a ■■■■ anymore. That day is probably not far off now, and then you should really be concerned that not even “Salvos the Destroyer” any longer cares about salvaging whats left of EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 12:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/535 "2018-09-13T00:07:11Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > IE: CCP turns a blind eye to this corruption/illegal activity, because to crush it would also be to reveal/acknowledge how **rotten** this game has gotten, and banning innumerous prominent players+their organisations would decapitate huge swathes of EVE. Sounds good until you realize bots and RMT have been around since the early days and CCP chose to let it continue. What makes you think constant salvoshing topics will change that? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/536 "2018-09-13T06:14:45Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > What makes you think constant salvoshing topics will change that? You asked me a question why I think CCP hasnt done more to stop botting/RMT. I answered it. Bit unfair to accuse me of “salvoshing” when all I did was politely reciprocate an answer to the direct query you put to me, yourself. If I hadnt answered it would have been rude, dishonest, and you would have accused me of that then… As to posting about botting/RMT, you are probably right that no amount of posting on it will lead to change on it. If you believe that, why do you keep posting on it? ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 7:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/537 "2018-09-13T07:00:27Z")
yes removing local will do nothing to bots because they even exist in empire mining and endlessly running missions. i keep saying a old game i used to play in high school called Tibia started using a program that detected 3rd party programs, the day of launch 10s of thousands of souls cried out in pain and were suddenly silenced. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/539 "2018-09-13T07:17:17Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > yes removing local will do nothing to bots because they even exist in empire mining and endlessly running missions. The week or so when there was the Local bug saw a huge decrease in ratting/mining activity. Part of that was due to the unpredictability of the bug, which left some but not others without Local, and ofc affected also non-botters. But overall it was a strong indicator that Delayed Local in NS does have a significant impact on the rate of ratting/mining, botters included. ---
**Author:** ![Kalldaar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kalldaar/32/110141_2.png) [@Kalldaar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kalldaar)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/550 "2018-09-13T08:24:09Z")
I think there are 4 types of ppl here… botters just reading, ppl that want WH space everywhere and easy kills, others that don’t know what they are talking about and some that knows how hard is to fight this kind of stuff… nothing CCP does ingame will change how bots works, sure removing local will ■■■■ up some low level bots but one that I saw working with my own eyes wouldn’t be bothered a bit. In my opinion CCP should have done a long time ago is to: 1- stop logging everything that happens ingame in some file outside the client… including combat log. 2- encrypt all server/client communications (if they haven’t done yet… didn’t checked this one recently) 3- encrypt client memory and use address space layout randomization this alone would make the life of the bots the rely on information gathered directly from client memory and other files impossible… and even with this changes I believe that the problem would still persist because botters will be botters… ---
**Author:** ![Butt\_Cigar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/butt_cigar/32/131787_2.png) [@Butt\_Cigar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Butt_Cigar)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 9:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/551 "2018-09-13T09:35:22Z")
An observation from a player who has just come back after six years: 1. CCP have introduced the pay-to-win model they said would never happen. 2. Botting is out of control. Are they connected? ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/552 "2018-09-13T11:51:37Z")
> [@Butt\_Cigar](#): > > An observation from a player who has just come back after six years: > > 1. CCP have introduced the pay-to-win model they said would never happen. > 2. Botting is out of control. > > Are they connected? Both points are correct but the white knights are still defending the “eve is special” dogma,… ---
**Author:** ![Balos\_Tritapo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/balos_tritapo/32/89875_2.png) [@Balos\_Tritapo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Balos_Tritapo)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 11:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/553 "2018-09-13T11:57:22Z")
> [@Kalldaar](#): > > 2- encrypt all server/client communications (if they haven’t done yet… didn’t checked this one recently) > 3- encrypt client memory and use address space layout randomization Massive lag incoming… ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/554 "2018-09-13T15:22:59Z")
Removed some off topic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Boru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_boru/32/64941_2.png) [@Nico\_Boru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Boru)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2018, 6:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/555 "2018-09-14T18:36:50Z")
I can understand rmt paying CCP. People make money on selling isk. They use that money to buy plex. Money in CCPs pocket. This would be those who want domination in the game rather than saving up for another sever to run their bots for more isk. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/556 "2018-09-15T06:30:39Z")
> [@Nico\_Boru](#): > > They use that money to buy plex. Money in CCPs pocket. No, they use isk to buy PLEX, which they then sell RMT, or sell to generate more isk to RMT. ---
**Author:** ![Nico\_Boru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nico_boru/32/64941_2.png) [@Nico\_Boru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nico_Boru)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/557 "2018-09-15T18:21:17Z")
I was speaking of the demographic that want their group to “win” in the game. Some people still cheat to blow up more ships than others. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=28)