# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/593 "2018-09-18T14:31:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m very much against bots. Doesnt look like it by your posts in this thread. You seem to be fine with CCP not doing more against botting, and actively resisting any push for them to do more than now. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/595 "2018-09-18T14:38:18Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > whether other players are impacted by bots All of EVE is impacted by bots, just as all of EVE is impacted by any action in EVE. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > There certainly are improvements they could make to bot detection and punishment but I think overall it’s a **very small problem**. I think its a **very big problem** , and more should be done to curtail them, now, before it gets even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/597 "2018-09-18T14:44:57Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I impact players in a negative way more than bots when I decide to mess with a market for funsies. That is legal. What bots do, is not. This isnt rocket science, my dear. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I know you do, which is why you’re making up facts and accusing me of botting when I disagree with you. I havent “made up” any facts. Ive just stated my own estimates and deductive conclusions. And yes, I think the probability of you benefiting from bots, or botting yourself, is high enough to exceed the threshold of reasonable doubt, based on your constant attempts to down-play the magnitude of botting, its harm to EVE and for CCP not to be more aggressive/pro-active in reducing bot proliferation in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/601 "2018-09-18T14:59:36Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It doesn’t surprise me that you argue with 12 year olds. It doesnt surprise me that you do not, as based on the above, you would lose, everytime. I can only conclude that you are deliberately trolling and/or trying to downplay the damage botting is doing to this game, and that CCP should do more, because you benefit from botting yourself. No reasonable person not involved in botting themself, or profiting from it, in this circumstance, would even peripherally argue against CCP doing more to stop this cancer from getting even worse. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/603 "2018-09-18T15:06:11Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I understand that you think that botting is the single biggest issue in EVE and that CCP should throw all of their resource into the security team to stop bots, I simply disagree. Do you agree, or disagree, that CCP should do more to stop the cancer of botting? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/605 "2018-09-18T15:20:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, loaded question. /facepalm… ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/607 "2018-09-18T15:23:18Z")
I didnt ask if they “need” to do so. My god, what has happened to people’s reading comprehension? It was a very simple and direct question. Agree, or disagree, and then you can qualify your answer in explanation after that. This is not fking rocket science. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/609 "2018-09-18T15:33:54Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > you preloaded it with “cancer of botting” Do you disagree with the analogy of botting\<-\>RMT\<-\>Account hijacking as a cancer in a game (in this case, EVE) that proliferates via metastasis and gets worse the less is done about it? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And I did answer the question, I simply didn’t confine myself to your agree/disagree format. No, you made up a question of your own contrivance, and answered that instead of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/611 "2018-09-18T15:37:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I have however reached the point where I can’t be bothered to explain to you yet again why. This whole time you’ve been having a discussion with yourself and your own imagination. Its no wonder you fold now when you are cornered out of your own fantasy into what has actually been asked of you by me. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/613 "2018-09-18T15:42:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 😂😂 If that’s the way you want to see it, and that makes you feel better about yourself, feel free. Nothing to do with my feelings. Its objectively what you did. I know people like you, unfortunately. You find direct and simple questioning of your views as oppressive and threatening. The reason for that is your own insecurity and attempt to control a world you cannot control, so you try to control the circumstances of a question, by changing them, as an illusion of power. You did not answer my questions as asked. But yes, you did answer in your own way, and also thereby revealed yourself more than just answering directly would have. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/615 "2018-09-18T15:54:58Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Let’s not pretend that anything I said would have made a difference, you went in seeking a particular conclusions and youll get that conclusion no matter how much reality you have to ignore to get there False. I asked the simple, direct questions sincerely. You did not reciprocate. You didnt want to answer, because an honest direct answer would have revealed you. Instead, you contrived a question of your own making, and answered that as convenient. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Enough of the internet psychology though buddy becausey ou don’t know enough about that either. Ive seen enough of your behavior to be pretty sure I got you pegged. And no, I cant post it here, as it would be deemed “offensive”, though its true nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/617 "2018-09-18T16:05:52Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, you asked loaded questions. You probably use this as an excuse for anything and everything that is ever asked of you. Q: Excuse me, do you know the way to Bar X? A: Do I look like an alcoholic to you? Very convenient way to avoid actually answering, and a psychological weapon to maintain an illusion of control, dominance and ego. What you dont understand, aside from the obvious of how to answer a question in proper syntax, is that by evading answering you reveal far more than if you had simply answered. That you evade, clearly indicates what you are evading, as what you wont speak about. Sure, an antagonist wont get a “quote” of you admitting yourself, but your actual position is obvious nonetheless, as that which you refuse to express/address, and you are trying to keep hidden. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/619 "2018-09-18T16:24:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > How about you learn not to ask loaded questions then it won’t be a a problem? I could also have contrived the questions you asked me, and which I answered as such, as “loaded”. I did not. I simply answered. Thats the difference between us. I dont expect you to understand this, as you are obviously so far deep in your own way of perceiving questions you “dont like” and/or dont want to answer, as “loaded”. From this point onward, if you ever again ask me a question, Ill feed you a spoon of your own medicine in response, as evasive and claiming you are “loading” it. Lets see how you like that. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/621 "2018-09-18T16:39:05Z")
Your entire post is loaded, as supporting botting. How do you like that? You couldnt even answer if you agree or disagree CCP should do more to address the cancer of botting in EVE, cos apparently the word “cancer” tripped you up (it didnt). Now suddenly Im the bad guy, according to you, cos I didnt “ask you the right way”. Pfft… You arent kidding anyone, least of all me, ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/623 "2018-09-18T16:44:39Z")
Another loaded post, in favor of botting. Let me rephrase, since the term “cancer” was apparently “loaded” to you. **Do you agree, or disagree, that CCP should do more to curtail botting in EVE?** Or is that somehow also “loaded” and unfit for your highness to deign to answer. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/625 "2018-09-18T16:51:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I disagree. Explain why. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/627 "2018-09-18T16:57:02Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think they already do enough, I don’t think botting is a significant problem in EVE as it stands and I think there’s plenty of other things they should focus on. I disagree. Botting, RMT and account hijacking are interlinked, and do immeasurable damage to a game, and will kill it it left unchecked. Security Team reports, as consistent in average, show they are operating at max efficiency and cant handle more with existing allocated time/resources. No EVE internal balance/update issue is as important as this, which undermines everything and everyone in EVE. This my rebuttal. You had your say, and I had mine. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/629 "2018-09-18T17:03:09Z")
> [@Sukur](#): > > Remove or delay local on nullsec. I can get behind that. Not because it would fix botting, but it would be a step in the right direction for fixing nullsec in general. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/630 "2018-09-18T17:04:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’d have to show me these security team reports (please do), So you havent even seen the data, and yet presume to post as you do on something you have no info on, whilst claiming “we” dont have that info? The Security Team reports are public. Ive read them. Do your own fling homework before presuming to speak about the extent of botting in EVE and CCPs 2 staff Security Teams capacity to cope. Unbelievable… Why have I wasted time on you… **Are you going to own that you fked up?** Probably not. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not important to you, maybe, becuse you seem to think there are tens of thousands of bots operating regularly in EVE, but to the rest of us normal players it’s not as much of an issue. Again with this schizophrenic posting. I told you this is of utmost importance to me and EVE, yet suddenly you claim “not important to you, maybe, because”. How the fk does that make sense? Botting, and by adjunct RMT/Account hijacking, effects EVERYONE in EVE negatively and also CCPs revenue. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/632 "2018-09-18T18:11:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’ve not seen _your_ data, the data Its not my data. Its public as issued by CCP Security Team. Look it up. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Affects everyone, to an incredibly minimal degree. When it affects everyone to even a minimal degree, in total, that is a huge effect. And no, botting is not “minimal”, its epidemic. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And that’s where we differ, since you think this is the biggest issue ever, yet are unable to provide evidence of that. You are simply wrong. It has always been the biggest issue. No other issue in EVE, now or before, effects everyone as widely as this does, and CCP revenue. Botting, RMT and account hijacking are inter-linked, cause imbalance in meta, screw markets and piss off players to no end. Tell me since you claim its not a big deal, what is a bigger issue than bots/RMT/account hijacking in EVE today? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=30)