# How to fix the bot problem and make people happy **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 18, 2018, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876 "2018-08-18T10:09:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/143 "2018-09-04T11:07:09Z")
> [@Sukur](#): > > I consider more efficient to make bots an easy kill and let players do the job of removing them Delayed Local in Player NS would go a long way towards that. The less automatic intel botters have, the greater the chance they can be caught by hunters. On CCPs side, they can institute/improve algorithms that collate data sent by active clients, such as to duration of activity and repetition of commands, so they are flagged for review by human staff CCP side. Also the inclusion of non-interfering minigames that bots cannot reliably solve, but a human can in a matter of seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/144 "2018-09-04T11:07:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > That you as a person can solve the minigame, as human, does not extend to a bot being able to doing so. Algorithms are written by people. They start as an idea, a method of how to solve a recurring problem. You just got to learn it. Computers can however do things people cannot do, which is the real threat. ---
**Author:** ![Sukur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sukur/32/497045_2.png) [@Sukur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sukur)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/145 "2018-09-04T11:08:15Z")
YES!, thats my point. Maybe its not the only thing to do, but its very easy to implement. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/146 "2018-09-04T11:10:45Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Computers can however do things people cannot do, which is the real threat. No bot can match the human brain in dynamic problem solving. Not even close. Inb4 chess bots. Chess is linear and very narrow in definition, as turn based. Even then, human players continue to defeat even the most advanced chess bots. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/147 "2018-09-04T11:24:04Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No bot can match the human brain in dynamic problem solving. > > Inb4 chess bots. Chess is linear … Chess isn’t linear. Have you played chess yet? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/148 "2018-09-04T11:25:58Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > No bot can match the human brain in dynamic problem solving. > > > > Inb4 chess bots. Chess is linear … > > Chess isn’t linear. Have you played chess yet? Chess is systemically linear, as turn based, one move per turn, and with restrictions on the action of each piece, per move. Chess is turn based, restricted progression, and all results are linear from their cause. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/149 "2018-09-04T11:29:03Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Chess is systemically linear, as turn based, one move per turn, and with restrictions on the action of each piece, per move. You mean it takes time to play it. Sure, time is linear. The actual game has more combinations than there are atoms in the universe. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/150 "2018-09-04T11:31:49Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > You mean it takes time to play it. Sure, time is linear. The actual game has more combinations than there are atoms in the universe. No, I dont mean that. I mean exactly what I said. And no, there are more atoms or “combinations” of them as you asininely state, in the universe,mthan there are permutations in chess, most of which are redundant as leading to a loss. You really are just making this up as you go, arent you. Im not surprised, given you couldnt answer two specific questions in the correct syntax of the query. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/151 "2018-09-04T11:33:15Z")
If I can hack a can, Im pretty sure a bot can. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/152 "2018-09-04T11:34:05Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > If I can hack a can, Im pretty sure a bot can. They cant. Not like you can. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/153 "2018-09-04T11:35:34Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > No, I dont mean that. > I mean exactly what I said. I cannot help you then when you think chess was a linear game. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/154 "2018-09-04T11:36:32Z")
Aw thats kind of you to say. But my method is pretty simple, Im not sure what would prevent them. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/155 "2018-09-04T11:36:48Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > No, I dont mean that. > > I mean exactly what I said. > > I cannot help you then when you think chess was a linear game. Im not asking for “help”. What I stated is fact. Chess is a game, where each turn based move, with restrictions on movement of each piece, is linear. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/156 "2018-09-04T11:39:20Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > But my method is pretty simple, Im not sure what would prevent them. What method? How could it possibly prevent bots? We have already established that no extant bot in EVE can hack a can. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/157 "2018-09-04T11:40:34Z")
The method I use for doing cans. Its simple and I dont see what would stop a bot from being written using the same method. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/158 "2018-09-04T11:40:54Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What I stated is fact. > Chess is a game, where each turn based move, with restrictions on movement of each piece, is linear. It doesn’t make the game and the player choices linear. You do mean linear, as in time passes linear, with each movement you make. But to think this would make chess a linear game is just wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/159 "2018-09-04T11:40:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > We have already established that no extant bot in EVE can hack a can. We have? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/160 "2018-09-04T11:41:53Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Its simple and I dont see what would stop a bot from being written using the same method. Its simple for you, because you take your cognitive functions for granted. For a bot, its like training an ant to solve a Rubics Cube. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/161 "2018-09-04T11:43:27Z")
Im not sure my cognative faculties are that good. My system relies on pretty simple yes/no flow charting ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2018, 11:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876/162 "2018-09-04T11:44:22Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Im not sure my cognative faculties are that good. My system relies on pretty simple yes/no flow charting There is no use to talk with him about it. It’s better to leave him thinking he could defeat bots. I’m glad you get it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-fix-the-bot-problem-and-make-people-happy/98876.md?page=9)