# How to get more people to play eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040 "2019-03-05T09:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 37
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/732 "2019-04-12T15:59:30Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > Maybe…but If you have a staged pve content in an concealed area pvp should not get its fingers on it…never… You’re not meant to be exempt from the attentions of others, every single activity in Eve puts you at risk from others; a PvP free entrance and exit to a PvE only area is not compatible with the game. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/733 "2019-04-12T16:01:04Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > The PvE area is completely unreachable while you’re busy fighting NPCs. You just need to worry about PVP when you fly outside that area. If you don’t want to be surprised at the exit, either ask some friends to keep an eye on the exit, pay someone to do so if you don’t have friends nearby or use an alt. Just don’t make the mistake of saying that CCP made an unhealthy decision by giving PVE players more reward and a risk to encourage more PVP in this sandbox, because that’s all this game is about: players flying in space and _interaction_ . > > There are a lot of games on the market where there is no player interaction. It seems you should take a look at one of those. You try to sweettalk the fact that pvp can scan out the entrance/exit…if you were caugt at a gate or at a station with abyssial cargo we would have a totally different situation,but they can scan it out and ALREADY SIT THERE waiting for you… THAT is the problem…again caught on a gate or a station…no problem at all…but the mere possibility pvp has to scan you out - not acceptable… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/734 "2019-04-12T16:02:37Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > THAT is the problem The problem is you, not the game. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/735 "2019-04-12T16:03:20Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The problem is you, not the game. And this is your answer for this problem? Well… Maybe you are the problem… ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/736 "2019-04-12T16:03:35Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > You try to sweettalk the fact that pvp can scan out the entrance/exit…if you were caugt at a gate or at a station with abyssial cargo we would have a totally different situation,but they can scan it out and ALREADY SIT THERE waiting for you… > > THAT is the problem…again caught on a gate or a station…no problem at all…but the mere possibilitie pvp has to scan you out - not acceptable… Have you tried alternatives to complaining? A few possibilities: 1. Popping a new abyssal trace while you’re still cloaked from exiting. Keep them waiting another 20 minutes. And another 2. A cloaked friend ready to pounce on your agressors 3. An ECM alt / friend to allow you to escape 4. Doing abyssal sites in a deep safe where people aren’t likely to find it No, it seems you just do one thing and that is complaining complaining complaining. ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/737 "2019-04-12T16:04:27Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Have you tried alternatives to complaining? > > A few possibilities: > > 1. Popping a new abyssal trace > 2. A cloaked friend ready to pounce on your agressors > 3. An ECM alt / friend to allow you to escape > 4. Doing abyssal sites in a deep safe where people aren’t likely to find it > > No, it seems you just do one thing and that is complaining complaining complaining. You mean the answer for not wanting pvp is…PVP? Well… How about no? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/738 "2019-04-12T16:06:48Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > You mean the answer for not wanting pvp is…PVP? > > Well… > > How about no? 🙂 Number 1 and 4 do not involve PVP, unless you call any ‘interaction with players’ PVP. Secondly, I believe I’ve said this before, but if you do not want interaction, find another game that does not have PVP at the basis? ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Andresen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_andresen/32/126029_2.png) [@Erik\_Andresen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Andresen)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/739 "2019-04-12T16:15:19Z")
Actually do something about botting. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/740 "2019-04-12T16:19:03Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > And this is your answer for this problem? Let’s face it, you have not shown that you understand the game and how it is played. You make stupid suggestions without acknowledging the effects they would have on other people, or even that there will be effects outside of your target audience, furthermore you refuse to accept that they have the potential to change the entire landscape of the game. Thinking that you’re right is normal, changing your thinking based on new information and knowledge is also normal. Refusing to even considering changing your thinking based on new information and knowledge, because you’re right dammit, is arrogant; especially when you appear to have no knowledge in the first place. Your suggestions are supported by very few, because they’re just plain wrongheaded and fail to show that you understand pretty much anything Eve related. So yes you are the problem, and only you can fix it. I certainly can’t suggest any way of fixing it that won’t get me banned or censured by CCP; beyond go and play something else before you go all Salvos on us. All that pent up anger is not good for your health. ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/741 "2019-04-12T16:34:59Z")
Again you are trying to cure the consequences and not to deal with the causes. Today’s players do not want Eve as it is and that endangers CCP’s future You and other veterans want them to learn to Eve as is and as was last xy years but **TODAY GAMERS DO NOT WANT IT,** so CCP and all current community must adopt or Eve will perish. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/742 "2019-04-12T16:45:21Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > Again you are trying to cure the consequences and not to deal with the causes. > Today’s players do not want Eve as it is and that endangers CCP’s future > You and other veterans want them to learn to Eve as is and as was last xy years but **TODAY GAMERS DO NOT WANT IT,** so CCP and all current community must adopt or Eve will perish. Should EVE cater to today’s average gamer, or today’s (possible) EVE players? To be honest, I think there are enough games catering to any aspect todays gamers want, so keep EVE as something that caters to EVE players and possible new players looking for an experience like that. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/743 "2019-04-12T16:45:49Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > Today’s players do not want Eve as it is and that endangers CCP’s future This has been the case since 2003, very few wanted to play a game like it and the doom of CCP was proclaimed loudly then too; despite which, here we are A product that is profitable despite only appealing to a few is known as a niche product, Eve is one example of many that spans every industry that you can think of. > You and other veterans want them to learn to Eve as is and as was last xy years If you don’t want to learn how to play a game or the rules of a game, you find another game. It’s like trying out for a football team and demanding that they change the way the game is played, because you don’t want to learn how to play the way they do. > but **TODAY GAMERS DO NOT WANT IT,** They have a multitude of alternatives, Eve has very few, if any. > CCP and all current community must adopt or Eve will perish. 2003 called, it wants its tagline back. Eve Online, a game that has been dying so long that it’s a shambling wreck feeding on the tears and corpses of the unwise. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/744 "2019-04-12T16:57:55Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > If you’d like an answer, please provide some relevance to the topic, other than “I want to troll the thread but you haven’t said anything I can make look bad yet, so I’ll just resort to a binary “have you stopped beating your wife yet?” ad hominem attack”. Tsk. Learn what an ad hominem is first. Were you a new player when killed in a newbie system or were you a veteran hiding in a newbie system? And where is the quote I defend bot farms. You make a lots of ■■■■■■■■ statements but calls me the troll. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/745 "2019-04-12T17:44:56Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Tsk. Learn what an ad hominem is first. Were you a new player when killed in a newbie system or were you a veteran hiding in a newbie system? When asked to provide topical relevance, simply repeating your same question a second and third time with slightly different words accomplishes nothing. Since trolls generally have short attention spans, I’ll recap for you: - One person said griefing in rookie systems happens - A second person said ‘Prove it’ - I provided an example of a griefer in rookie systems To put in it extremely simple terms for you, what relevance does your question have to the discussion? ---
**Author:** ![Elias\_enDiabel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/elias_endiabel/32/505359_2.png) [@Elias\_enDiabel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Elias_enDiabel)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/746 "2019-04-12T18:06:01Z")
some sort of cognitive disorder i believe, its why i often dont bother to provide evidence as they say ‘‘falls on deaf ears’’ ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/747 "2019-04-12T18:18:46Z")
You know what guys, I used to be a believer that subscription model was the way to keep going with this game. But I realize now that it isn’t. Simply because, I would gladly throw RL cash for Isk (possibly even more than a sub’s worth every month…) to the game for my spaceship pvp fix, if only it allowed me to use all of its available functions to have fun in and not be so restricted. I realized today as an alpha, that this really wasn’t the case. Truth is, like many people, I haven’t the time anymore to grind the isk needed to sustain destroying stuff ingame. So Im out. A Full F2P model should be the way forward, but it wont likely happen anytime soon, with all the rampant l33t veteran nerdage going on and their love for all their “hard-earned” pixels … o7 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/748 "2019-04-12T18:31:14Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > A Full F2P model should be the way forward, but it wont likely happen anytime soon, with all the rampant l33t veteran nerdage going on and their love for all their “hard-earned” pixels … Game is already full F2P for ages, you can play without paying a penny. Everything is obtainable ingame and you can spend as much money on it as you want. If that’s not a full F2P model, I don’t know what is. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/749 "2019-04-12T18:51:58Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Game is already full F2P for ages, you can play without paying a penny. Everything is obtainable ingame and you can spend as much money on it as you want. If that’s not a full F2P model, I don’t know what is. No it isnt, I still cant fit a Hyperion with T2 guns, nor fly anything above. Plus a plethora of other stuff I dont have access to as F2P. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/750 "2019-04-12T18:54:53Z")
> [@Erik\_Aihaken](#): > > No it isnt, > > I still cant fit a Hyperion with T2 guns, nor fly anything above. > > Plus a plethora of other stuff I dont have access to as F2P. You’re confusing F2P with Alpha. You can become Omega without paying, by using plex. Likewise, you can pay a lot of real money to get daily Alpha injectors for a max Alpha account, without becoming Omega. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_aihaken/32/92554_2.png) [@Erik\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/751 "2019-04-12T19:02:53Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > You’re confusing F2P with Alpha. You can become Omega without paying, by using plex. > Likewise, you can pay a lot of money without becoming Omega, to fly the most blingy Alpha ships. FFS stop misinterpreting what I said deliberately you time-wasting sycophant. You perfectly understood what I said. Im saying Alphas should not exist. Game should give you FULL ACCESS to EVERYTHING, for free. And you should only spend RL cash for things to burn ingame according to your gameplay needs. Free game should not mean restricted access of things to use inside it. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=36) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=38)