# How to get more people to play eve **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** community\ **Created:** [March 5, 2019, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040 "2019-03-05T09:00:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/793 "2019-04-13T09:15:13Z")
I agree…WarDec mechanics are mostly fine now. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/794 "2019-04-13T11:11:54Z")
I still see quite a number of citadels in the systems I visit. It’s just a personal opinion that there are too many structures in space. So it really just comes down to how one defines “too many”. That being said, my point was not really to argue citadel spamming as such. I only mentioned ease of anchoring citadels, because the argument made by Lugburz was that suicide gankers should not be allowed to dock in NPC stations. So my reply is me pointing out, that in order for that to have any noticable effect, it needs to be harder to anchor structures in highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/795 "2019-04-13T11:13:45Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > You said YOU were ganked in a rookie system and reported the culprit and complained he wasn’t banned or anything. I asked whethet you were a new player at the time of a veteran player at the time of the gank. This is important because if you were a new pleyer the ganking was against EvE rules. Thank you for establishing some relevant context. As it happens, my account was not new, though at the time this account had quite low SP and no resources beyond the Heron I had received from completing the Exploration career agent, and about 2 million ISK. I had returned to the game (and specifically, this character) after a longish absence to check out the current NPE (the Inception one, at that time), and knock off some Career agents for starter ISK, ships, and faction standing. So I was neither new, nor a rookie, nor a ‘veteran hiding in a rookie system’. I was, however, on a character only a few weeks old in ‘game played’ time, and as the zKillboard link I added showed, I wasn’t talking primarily about _my_ incident, I was linking his months of doing the same thing in the career agent system. However, I concluded that possibly CCP thought as you did, that he was not actually breaking the rules, although the history of kills would indicate otherwise. And/or that his pattern just wasn’t worth doing anything, and/or they didn’t care, and/or they took action, but it took several months. Hard to say, since they don’t reveal actions. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > It will; show you either have a point and I agree the ganker should be “punished” or you a whiiney little ■■■■■. Again you fail at reading comprehension. That’s okay though, I was impressed you managed to be coherent for the first couple sentences. I made no point. A person asked for supporting evidence of rookie system griefing. I provided a zKillboard link with a number of examples. That is all. Hard to call zKillboard links ‘BS’ but you are free to believe whatever you like. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/796 "2019-04-13T11:32:56Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > i like how you attempt to make it look like this is what you originally asked when the question was really phrased in a more of a ‘‘are you an idiot or what’’ type of way… And? > [@Lugburz](#): > > in fact almost everything you say is basically a direct or veiled insult, Not veiled at all. I am fully aim to insult idiots and cowards. > [@Lugburz](#): > > even in most of your other replies… Correct. And? I am here to stay and bugger the hell out of whiny little bitches like you, ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/797 "2019-04-13T11:35:50Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Thank you for establishing some relevant context. As it happens, my account was not new, though at the time this account had quite low SP and no resources beyond the Heron I had received from completing the Exploration career agent, and about 2 million ISK. Hence, you were a veteran coward. Thank you for coming clean. Your complaint about the GM was unfounded and you should be ashamed The rest of your garbage I didn’t read. I am done with you. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/798 "2019-04-13T12:31:44Z")
Ah OK, well I agree with him that making them lose docking rights in NPC stations is a good move in terms of consequences, it is something I have argued for a long time. I go to some systems and I am blown away by the number of structures but then again I look at my homes system and there are none. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > LOL…As a station basher myself, I can assure you that there are a metric buttload of stations in HS…most totally unguarded and unfueled. But I guess that’s my fault. Oh BTW, CCP made it harder, not easier recently to bash so… Yes in a number of systems, but people are working through them. But how exactly did CCP make it harder recently? That is not something I noticed. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Good for Aaaarg…it’s easy ISK. I keep saying it is not that bad as there is salvage of P4 stuff. > [@Elias\_enDiabel](#): > > your one of very few people that like shooting structures. It is a way to make ISK, most people don’t contest. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > It’s bloody easy ISK…sadly I move and now am sleeping during 1800 server time when most stations are vulnerable. > > I think I made about 7-8B for the loss of 500M… Pity that you are no longer doing it and of course thanks for detailing how much you made. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I am done with you. Lucky person. Why do you even post, all you do is throw brainless insults at people you decide you don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/799 "2019-04-13T12:41:48Z")
The timers used to be set that you only had to take down the armor for offline stations (ie no fuel to operate shields). So you would find an unused station, and drop the armor when the time was right. With the changes, regardless of fuel, you need to drop shields AND armor at the same time which doubles your initial attack time. > It is a way to make ISK, most people don’t contest. Off the top of my head, I think I’ve attacked about 70 station and only 2 were defended. I lost a BS to one and the other I blackmailed a bit into paying my WarDec fee in exchange for peace…The biggest threat is actually from other large corps like PIRAT(?) and Marmite as not only will they assist any corp you have wardeced but they will also steal the bash from you. > Pity that you are no longer doing it and of course thanks for detailing how much you made. No prob…if you have any questions PM me of post here…if you’re interested it doing it, all you really need are 2 Omegas that can fly T1 BS with T2 weapons…I tried to get back into it recently with just 2 toons but my timezone issue and the cost of PLEX right now isn’t worth it… ---
**Author:** ![Lugburz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugburz/32/486230_2.png) [@Lugburz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugburz)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/800 "2019-04-13T12:46:29Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > I am here to stay and bugger the hell out of whiny little bitches like you, your here to bugger me? eeww no thanks, keep your hands to yerself pal, i dont know where youve been… probably in the bins looking for a meal… ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/801 "2019-04-13T14:11:19Z")
> [@Maekchu](#): > > I still see quite a number of citadels in the systems I visit. It’s just a personal opinion that there are too many structures in space. So it really just comes down to how one defines “too many”. > > That being said, my point was not really to argue citadel spamming as such. I only mentioned ease of anchoring citadels, because the argument made by Lugburz was that suicide gankers should not be allowed to dock in NPC stations. So my reply is me pointing out, that in order for that to have any noticable effect, it needs to be harder to anchor structures in highsec. The proposal of removing docking rights has a lot of issues though… without even thinking long about the whole topic. What are people going to use to determine if anyone is allowed to dock? Will any criminal action in high sec remove your docking rights forever? Will the sec status of the pilot determine if they can dock in high sec? If a single infraction is enough to remove the docking rights, you open a whole new can of worms, with suicide ganking being the only option to at least try and stop people in npc corps or non war eligable corps mining at high sec moons. There are plenty of reasons outside of full time high sec piracy where ganking can be used to bring some consequences to the actions of people even in high sec. If security status is used as deciding factor, people who are not even gankers will be punished as well. Everyone will be punished for PvPing in low sec. Now for me those reasons are enough to not go through with it already. However the main issue is… it will not remove or lower ganking in high sec. As people mentioned already… big groups like CODE won´t be affected by it. The only people you punish are smaller groups, who do not have the manpower or enough non blinky alts to defend citadels. And thus removing gameplay options once again from the little guy. The past should already have taught people what happens when you do that. People who really are interested in ganking will just merge together to form bigger entitys or will join CODE, who already won´t care about a change like that. So in the end it just makes game content less accessible for the individual, but doesn´t change anything about the situation as a whole, which definetly is not the way to go. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/802 "2019-04-13T14:27:16Z")
I’m not supporting removing docking rights. Having been perma flashy myself because of being a lowsec pirate, I do see some issues with it. The issue being more nuanced and not having an easy “fix”, was indeed the point that I made in the original post I replied to Lugburz. > [@Maekchu](#): > > So it is really not such an easy thing to just “fix”. There are many related factors, that makes it much more nuanced. All I’m saying is that if this is a solution one considers, then the ease of anchoring highsec citadels also needs to be examined. With the current mechanics, it is not hard to anchor a citadel to stage from when docking rights to NPC stations are lost. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/803 "2019-04-13T14:29:29Z")
Sorry if my post seemed like I wanted to indicate that you are for it, that was not my intention… I merely wanted to use your post as entry point into the conversation as to make it clear which of the things being discussed here, I was refering too :). ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/804 "2019-04-13T21:11:45Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > Again you are trying to cure the consequences and not to deal with the causes. > Today’s players do not want Eve as it is and that endangers CCP’s future > You and other veterans want them to learn to Eve as is and as was last xy years but **TODAY GAMERS DO NOT WANT IT,** so CCP and all current community must adopt or Eve will perish. This is what i’m saying for MONTHS now but the bittervets do not want changes towards a game that can sucessfully compete on the market… They want 2003 and 2003 ONLY…and simply don’t SEE that this demand,their demand,is bad for the game and so are they bad for the game. “we did it like this for 15 years now”…and “eve should rather die than to change away from what it is”… This is the bittervet agenda and they have no problem with that… May the last one turn the light off… ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/805 "2019-04-13T21:15:25Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > Not veiled at all. I am fully aim to insult idiots and cowards. You mean people that do not share your conservative opinion? All of these are idiots and cowards? And cowards? Why cowards? because they do not want to fight around a couple of pixels and just want to chill after work? You are a real hero…everybody that is not playing as you think eve should be played is an idiot… Hello Mr. Trump… ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/806 "2019-04-13T21:22:16Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > To be honest, I think there are enough games catering to any aspect todays gamers want, so keep EVE as something that caters to EVE players and possible new players looking for an experience like that. Really? So this game can perish? ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/807 "2019-04-13T21:35:09Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > > To be honest, I think there are enough games catering to any aspect todays gamers want, so keep EVE as something that caters to EVE players and possible new players looking for an experience like that. > > Really? > > So this game can perish? If the game is changed to the point where it’s no longer what it was designed as, is it even still the same game ---
**Author:** ![BDVannessa\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bdvannessa_lsg/32/128854_2.png) [@BDVannessa\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BDVannessa_LSG)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/808 "2019-04-13T21:47:14Z")
> [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > where it’s no longer what it was designed as This game is designed to bring a profit… ---
**Author:** ![Traco\_Miritu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/traco_miritu/32/130952_2.png) [@Traco\_Miritu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Traco_Miritu)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/809 "2019-04-13T21:50:52Z")
> [@BDVannessa\_LSG](#): > > This game is designed to bring a profit… The bittervets don’t see it like this… For them eve is designed to comfort them in their cozy neck of the woods they’ve choosen to call a home ingame. So any change away from this is outrageous and blasphemic. And the holy inquisition may come upon those sinners that DARE to even suggest a reasonable change to the present…whatever it may be,it cannot be… ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/810 "2019-04-13T21:58:14Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > suggest a reasonable change Reasonable change is subjective. EVE is a single shard PVP dystopia, does your suggestion change this? If it does it’s bad for the game. CCP has made a profit for many years with marking a game for a Niche market. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/811 "2019-04-13T22:06:45Z")
I am a bitter vet, yet I hardly see it this way. Maybe your stuck dealing with the wrong bitter vets? Edit; we fought to control a useless sys just cause it was good highsec PI. When we moved, we gave all the poco’s to a noob corp in sys on the condition that they call us if anyone came knocking. Someone did come knocking and we came running. So I guess I don’t see your point… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040/812 "2019-04-13T23:16:56Z")
> [@Traco\_Miritu](#): > > May the last one turn the light off… EVE is Dying™ Funny how this is always the emotional card played and is the equivalent to “if I don’t get my way I will take my toys and go home.” Again. It’s a sandbox…L2P or go away…I’ve lost a few ships in HS to ganks over the years and yet made billions over billions. Why can’t you? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=39) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-get-more-people-to-play-eve/144040.md?page=41)